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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby Silverbullet » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:30 pm

Good Morning. Hope you had a happy Lunch yesterday.

Paxton chose TnT DNA as an opporunity not only to create a Baby but to attack Starfleet.

The two supposed Patents of the Baby were both Starleet Officers and Paxton blamed Starfleet for not making the Xindi pay dearly for the attack on Earth. forgetting that it was the EArth government who unlltimately had to chose to accept the Xndi as possibe allies or to squeeze them.

TnT were perfect for Paxton's schemes. Also, thier DNA was easily available.

In addtion there ws much gossip on board about a TnT relationship.

all perfect to Paxton.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby pdsldl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:55 pm

I'm not sure how easily available their DNA was. It came from the genetic stores on Enterprise according to Paxton, which I can't imagine Phlox wouldn't have had i-under lock and key. But maybe the fact that Masaro was an engineer helped him break into sickbay.

And what's this about Starfleet not making the Xindi pay? Paxton said Starfleet announced Earth presence and location which by extension meant they helped the Xindi attack Earth but no mentioned making them pay for the attack? He was looking for genetic purity in the human genome.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby WarpGirl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:02 pm

Lunch was great, in fact yesterday was all wonderful except for the fact that my father making me crazy! Anyway I stand by what I said before, Terra Prime was around long before the Xindi, only underground. I'll bet there was always a plan to try and drive aliens off of Earth and out of the solar system. Trip T'Pol and the Xindi were just good luck.

I still say there was more than one Terra Prime operative on Enterprise. Masaro just didn't seem like a mastermind of anything. And he had to have had help.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby Silverbullet » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:11 pm

Pdsil, I am probably wrong. You are right that Starfleet announced Earth's location.
however. the Xindi had known about what they thought Earth had done to them and also they had the Guardians telling them all sorts of things. guardians proably gave the Xindi the location of Earth.

Still cannot understand why the Xindi would atttck Earth and killl Seven Million all that would do is to serve as a warning that Earth was in Dangere and Start Earth setting up defenses and set Enteprise looking for who made the Atttack. STUPID.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby pdsldl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:14 pm

Help with what. Stealing DNA and sabotaging the shuttlepod is all he did. He was an engineer so it's reasonable that he could do it alone. My problem would be with Phlox storing DNA and it being accessible to anyone other than the senior staff.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby WarpGirl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:17 pm

That's what I meant. Although Phlox did have medical assistents I'm sure they could have had access in an emergency. Nope I think there was more than one.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby Silverbullet » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:17 pm

Sorry for double post. Mind not operating on all cclynders this morning.

Warpgirl, you are right there probably are more than one operative on Enterrpise.

but how to dig them out? they were moles and buried deep.

Reed, section 31 together may have been able to do it but they would need something to pull the operatives out of hiding.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby WarpGirl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:23 pm

Hence the fact why I gave Malcolm a little guilt trip in the first chapter of my fic. Some people didn't like it but I think a former intelligence opperative would take such a betreyal in his territory personally. Especially, after I found out that Malcolm had heard of the group before.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby pdsldl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:31 pm

I would think Malcolm would have depended on Starfleet's background checks on the crew and being in space might limit his ability to investigate on his own. Starfleet Intelligence knew about Terra Prime and sent Gannett to find out who it was and didn't inform Reed, which I find hard to believe since he would be the most likely one to find a spy on his own ship. I'm still unclear as to what you thought Masaro needed help with? And I can't see anyone in sickbay having acess to genetic material of the crew. The captain, Trip, and T'Pol probably would have security clearance but not anyone working under the doctor.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby WarpGirl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:36 pm

A sick bay tech would have an easier time gaining access to those codes than an engineer. Engineers got to sick bay because they're hurt or sick. I doubt anyone but Trip would be permitted to do repairs. A med tech doesn't raise as much suspicion being there when nothing is wrong.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby pdsldl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:37 pm

Silverbullet wrote:Pdsil, I am probably wrong. You are right that Starfleet announced Earth's location.
however. the Xindi had known about what they thought Earth had done to them and also they had the Guardians telling them all sorts of things. guardians proably gave the Xindi the location of Earth.

Still cannot understand why the Xindi would atttck Earth and killl Seven Million all that would do is to serve as a warning that Earth was in Dangere and Start Earth setting up defenses and set Enteprise looking for who made the Atttack. STUPID.


Not sure Starfleet told general public about gaurdians so Paxton wouldn't have known about them and assumed it was Starfleet's fault. The guardians seemed to be behind the whole thing so why they had the Xindi attack I don't know. Maybe something in the timeline they were monitoring made them want to scare humanity but they didn't react the way they thought Erth would when they sent Enterprise into the expanse. After all there wasn't much of a fleet and who would think they'd send one starship after the Xindi.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby WarpGirl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:41 pm

Paxton had spies everywhere. I wouldn't assume there was a limit to the information he could access.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby pdsldl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:43 pm

WarpGirl wrote:A sick bay tech would have an easier time gaining access to those codes than an engineer. Engineers got to sick bay because they're hurt or sick. I doubt anyone but Trip would be permitted to do repairs. A med tech doesn't raise as much suspicion being there when nothing is wrong.


Just can't see Phlox having codes somewhere a tech could get to them. Bypassing a lock for an engineer wouldn't be impossible. Trip certainly never let a lock stop him. They design and repair things like that so bypassing one seems to be in the realm of possibility. And who says Masaro wasn't sneaking into sickbay when Phlox was sleeping or in the Mess Hall etc...

And I'm sure Paxton had plenty of spies just not convinced they would risk putting two on Enterprise making it more likely they'd be discovered.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby WarpGirl » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:03 pm

We'll agree to disagree.
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Re: Paxton's goal

Postby Silverbullet » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:06 pm

Why would Phlox have the DNA locked up?

He had no reason to think that anyone would steal DNA to be put to use making a clone.

He probably simply had all of the Crews DNA stored in one place. that would make maswero job easier.

I find more of a roblem with the fact that Phlox rarely slept only in his periodic sleep Cycles.

So Maseru would have had to slip in to sick bay one night while Phlox was in his sleep cycle. Don't suppose there wold be a Assistant on duty but on call in his/her quarters.
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