thecursor wrote:No, CX but if this whole thing is just SO unbearable, why bother being pissed off about it? Why bother doing what every fucking Star Trek fan did after Season four of TNG and ruthlessly hate on change? Why not wave good bye and walk away? Most of the problems in Trek would've been easily solved with a little LESS pandering to fans who wanted Trek to be all things at once.
Some people are like that, and those are usually the ones that refuse to acknowledge anything other than the first two seasons of TOS and TMP. See, I'm not like that, because if I find something good, I accept it. That's why I liked DS9 despite all the people who whined about it being on a station instead of a ship. As for why I'm pissed, it's because I do care about the franchise. If I don't like something, I'm vocal about it, I don't just check out like you or others apparently want me to. This is the same reason I said what I did about *the_abomination*, too, only then a lot of you agreed with me and went as far to make some of your own finale fixes. Are any of you really going to begrudge me for being vocally displeased with this movie?
Most of this bashing is about an influx of new fans who didn't like Older Trek but love this newer version...**** them. Who cares what they think, they won't be around for very long anyway. Yeah we all heard the "I wasn't a fan of the other films but" seriously, **** them.
Most people get pissed when they get trolled on a regular basis, especially when the mods join in or at the very least just let it go on.
But if you're a life long Star Trek fan, why not enjoy the chance to see something new? If you're a life long Star Trek fan, watched the old shit go down the tubes in to cancellation, why not embrace something new?
When news of this movie first came out, I was excited like anyone else. Then information started coming out about it, and I started to become more and more concerned about it. Being new isn't enough, it has to be good and this movie isn't - it's every other sucky action-packed brainless remake movie they've been putting out lately. If it wasn't for the budget, this would fit right in with the majority of the B-movies the Sci Fi Channel shows. I'm sorry, but I don't like something just because they slap the "Star Trek" sticker on there.
I don't think the film is above criticism, but by that same note nothing else in Trek was above it either and we had a lot to be critical of. Weak female characters were a never ending problem for Star Trek, go back to the original series and take one look at Uhura's neck line and tell me that was a strong female character.
I've heard this one plenty before, too, and anyone who's known me for any length of time knows that I've been plenty critical of these kinds of things before.
DS9's "stuck guns" were awfully similar to B5 and while the quality was good it still felt like Edison swiping Tesla. B5 went to war and then DS9 goes to war with a brand new species too? Really?
I've heard this before too, but to be honest, as someone who watched both shows when they were first airing, they really weren't any more than superficially similar. They were already making references to the Dominion very early in the show, so claims that they were watching what B5 did and ripped them off are specious at best. And are you really going to do like the others and defend this movie by bashing the rest of the franchise? Come on.
Why does this one film keep us from the usual postulating and debating and we descend into this red flag/blue flag Armageddon?
There comes a point when something just can't be reconciled. Some people look at this as the AU, because that's what it's supposed to be after all, but I've never been one for AUs to begin with.
Twilight is insanely popular with the ENT fandom, but I hated that episode too. Not only was it pointless, but it did things to the characters that utterly turned me off to it. Same thing with this movie, only now the episode hasn't ended and it's still going.