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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby Reanok » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:16 pm

I read about the council meeting and Starfleet Admiralty and Maco General Casey's reaction to Soval's announcement that they were staying out of the war and it caused an uproar and that the coalition allies are angry at the Vulcans. Also Gannet Brooks and her editor talking about doing an interview with one of the leaders of the Martian Colony and about Technology the Vulcans were going to share with their allies to warn of Romulan warp trails emmisions.And nice to see Trip again too.

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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby Reanok » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:31 am

After reading several more chapters I wish there was less Gannet Brooks in the story sure she's to report on peoples experiences of the the Romulan war on Earth's colony planets but I hope in the next book whoever writes it there will be alot less of her character being in it she's annoying .I'd like to see Trip's family and their reaction to the Romulan war instead.

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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby honeybee » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:05 am

I finished the book. And I think Gannet Brooks ate some chapters featuring Malcolm, Hoshi an Travis. Possibly Archer and T'Pol and Trip too. She is in the book more than anyone, I think.


Anyway, I loved
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all the TnT interaction. Obviously, it couldn't be a full happy ending as the story is going to continue. But they are clearly together, so that's good. And that was quite a love scene, given the books have to be for all ages. I also think the Trip Vulcan/Romulan espionage plotline was hands down the best in the book. One of those Vulcan spies HAS to be a Romulan, I'm just not sure which. . .Y'Cha or Denak? Hmmmm. We shall see.


[spoiler]Speaking of Trip and T'Pol, the thing I appreciated most about this book is that T'Pol now basically thinks of Trip as her bonded husband. By the end, the bond is stronger than it's ever been
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Yes! Loved that aspect of the book.


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As for Trip undercover as a Vulcan, something tells me that T'Pau either knows who he is or suspects. Remember, she mind melded with T'Pol during the Vulcan arc in the last season. So she has to know about the bond. It could be that T'Pol even told her who Trip really was, knowing the Trip could or would help her
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I totally agree. I'll bet you that T'Pau knows.

I also agree that T'Pau thinks she's doing right by Vulcan and the humans by her actions. She fears getting the Vulcans involved in a war will drive them from the Syrannite path, but there's also the huge matter of the technology vulnerability helping her see that as more logical. I'm not sure why she thinks she can't share it with others, but I think that she thinks it is logical not to.

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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby WarpGirl » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:21 am

Hey isn't Gannet AKA Travis' "lady friend" Starfleet Intelligence. I could swear they said so in Terra Prime.
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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby Reanok » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:54 am

Yes Gannet Brooks Is Travis ex girlfriend but she gets more chapters than the Trip and T'Pol do in this story. Gannets Brooks hogged too many chapters that could've been given to Malcolm or Hoshi and Travis,given their characters more to do in the story.I aslso wanted to see more of Erika Hernandez and her crew I liked the way they're written in Km and this book. Much better than the destiny books
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I also like the storyline when it comes to Trip working with the Vulcan spies I never expected Terix to turn up alive and he's dangerous.Trip shouldn't trust Y'Cha very much. I think she's lying to Trip and manipulating him,just like Harris did.Lots of suprises in this book when it comes to the Vulcans. T'Pau wants to keep the Vulcans out of the war but I also understand T'Pol's pov view as well as her frustration at T'Pau's odd behavior and realizing the cause of it.I skipped ahead to the Trip & T'Pol scenes I really liked them alot and wished we had more time to see their time together on vulcan.
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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby WarpGirl » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:01 am

Reanok I meant isn't she a Spy? Spook? Covert Operative? Shady?
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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby Reanok » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:05 am

Yes she was a spy for starfleet In Terraprime and yes theres a scene in the book where Admiral Black complains about her reporting is dangerous to starfleet and the morale on earth.Asecurity Risk.Here she's just a journalist covering the stories of the Romulan attacks on Earth Colonies and the danger the Romulans pose to earth and it's allies.
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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby WarpGirl » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:07 am

Really? One little scene with her being all spooky, when all those chapters of her being what? A reporter? I'm so not wasting my money. Leave the cloak and dagger stuff to Malcolm! Poor thing got shafted enough in the series. :roll:
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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby Reanok » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:16 am

Malcolm has an important role to playing this story when it comes to fighting against the Romulans atechnological breakthrough. what I should say it was suggested Gannett and the other reporters were causing problems for Starfleet and a security risk is the reason for the security checks.She is shown as a reporter not as a spy sorry for any misunderstanding.

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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby WarpGirl » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:22 am

Well Dang! Was that ever a mistake. If they stuck to one of the few smart things in ENT Travis having a spy girlfriend, and have her BE A SPOOK in the book it might have enticed me into checking the book out. They lost some money there. Don't be sorry I probably sounded snarky. I'm in a bit of pain and it makes me snappish.
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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby honeybee » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:46 am

Gannet Brooks
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isn't shown as a spy at all this book. She's just a reporter.

She does hog too much of the story. I would have also preferred to see Trip's family or others reacting to the events. I also wanted more Erika/Archer stuff. I thought Martin made them spark more than they did onscreen but we barely get to see them.

That said, the Vulcan stuff is the most interesting part of the book. I think we are left not knowing who is who. We know that Trip isn't a Vulcan. As for Tetrix, he probably is Romulan but it wouldn't surprise me if he turned out to be a Vulcan But again I'm betting money that either Denak or Y'cha is a Romulan. Which one, I don't know. But also, one may be just working with the other - if they are a bonded couple, it would be difficult to hide that - as we see from the love scene with TnT where that bond stuff is really kicking in. In some ways, TnT could provide a nice counterpoint to a Romulan/Vulcan bonded couple.

I am thinking that the bond will be used to further the plot in the next book. T'Pol already knows Trip's memory has been tampered with - she just doesn't know how. The fact that Denak and Y'Cha don't know they've bonded is going to work in their favor - whenever we do get that next book.


Martin did try and give all the main characters something important to do. Malcolm figures out the defense grid issues, Hoshi helps with negotiations, Phlox deals with the battlefield doctor issues and Travis finds a new ship due to his KM issues. But all of those plots could have been in the book more.

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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby pdsldl » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:16 pm

l got the impression that Gannett Brooks was a spy but not everyone outside of SF Intelligence knew that but maybe they dumped that part of her persona. If they did too bad because it was what made her interesting. And I do agree less Gannett reporting and more real time being there with the main characters would be nice.

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And I don't disagree that T'Pau might know who Trip is but so should several other key players on Vulcan and him being there seems to be an unnecessary security risk and I can't see T'Pol not being concerned that he could pull it off. Like I said before being a Romulan who is allowed some emotions and being an unexpressive Vulcan and keeping all those emotions from showing through like a Vulcan are two very different undertakings. Especially knowing someone has melded with Trip and messed with his memories. Who's to say whomever it is doesn't already know who Trip really is and have decided to use him like they are the Romulan they've convinced to be a Vulcan (Tez'la or whatever his name is). All that got left wide open even after the melding orgy and T'Pol just left her bondmate alone on her homeworld knowing something was not right and knowing that most likely meant he was in danger. I'm not saying she wouldn't have left him there but I think she would have been more insistent that they understand what is really going on first. And she would have done more to see that he was as safe as possible.

Overall I do like this story. The writing is much better than in the past books, except for the whole thing he seems to have for Brooks here, and the story is intriguing. I guess I'm just tired of the whole are Vulcans our true allies or not thing. There's a difference between hiding cultural truths such as bonds, melds, telepathy, etc... and being secretive and manipulative (everything T'Pau says as a true Syrrannite she isn't) with those who are supposed to be your loyal allies and have proven themselves to be just that. Humanity has put up with Vulcan and their lack of support in the past but supposedly the Vulcans were done with that after it was proven the Xindi were a threat and humans were right and when the High Command was abolished. Now here they are back to being depicted as deceptive and less than honest almost behaving like their distant cousins the Romulans. So much so that you can't tell who's real and who's memorex even after melding with them. Maybe my problem is more to do with not liking T'Pau to begin with. In the whole Forge incident she struck me as the typical government type that would step on whomever got in the way of what it was she wanted. She would have ripped Archer's mind apart to get at Surak's katra if T'Pol hadn't been there and it had nothing to do with the needs of the many spiel.

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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby honeybee » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:40 pm

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I think Martin is confined by the idea that The Romulan War was fought between Earth and Romulus, not the Federation and Romulus - and I believe somewhere in canon is that the Vulcans sat that one out. So, he's doing backflips to make Vulcans right in their sitting it out. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one.

He's also confined by the fact that Trip apparently never comes in from the cold fully. Trip never returns to Earth or reveals himself to his family like he wants to. So, there must be a reason he stays on Vulcan - but the fact that he stays on Vulcan opens up the possibility that he spends at least some of his life with T'Pol, which I like.

I'm guessing/hoping that at some point, T'Pol will be officially if quietly married to the Vulcan Sopek, much like Danek and Y'Cha. It may be true already, since the bond is pretty much a marriage. He's after all living in their house, where they have lived together, albeit for a short time.

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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby WarpGirl » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:47 pm

So wait, what timeline is this thing in, before or after *the_abomination*? Because according to trek Canon, The Romulan War started very soon after Elizabeth's death, and ended four years later. *the_abomination* was two years after it ended. I'm confused! :explode:
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Re: "Enterprise: The Romulan War"

Postby honeybee » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:54 pm

In the book "The Good That Men Do", it makes it very clear that Trip "died" shortly after Elizabeth did - just a few months later. The events in Riker's holodeck program were incorrect for many reasons, including the dates. Section 31 changed the historical record.
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