Stargate SG1 + Gun Fans?
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:34 am
So, I"m recently going back through Stargate SG1 again. It was such an incredibly good series, especially in the beginning when it was all so new, with just this torrent of new information and development of storylines. My favorite part is the way you can watch this secret government program evolve to deal with and react to the new threats and the new challenges of the gate program. For that reason, it's a little more exciting to me than SGA or SGU could ever be. That being said, I always had criticisms about how they approached the "weapons" situation. Watching it over again (I'm only on 1x05) is proving very interesting because the weapon habits/conventions they developed by Season 8/9/10 are enlightened by comparison. I find myself thinking, and asking, what would I want? A lot of Special Operations troopers get to select their own weapon loadouts (within limits) and I am told that since about 2005, ALL troops are allowed, if they want, to buy their own optics (for their M4/M16, be it an Eotech, ACOG, illuminated dot sight, etc). To many people that probably made no sense but if you're an SG fan and a gun enthusiast like me, I though tit might be interesting to ask the question: what would you want and why? (Within what the U.S. military purchases)
Early in the show they carry MP5's and M9 Berettas. Later, of course, it became famous for sporting the P90 more than any other show. (Interestliny if nobody's ever noticed, The Ring operatives in "Chuck" have an FN Fiveseven with a weaponlight as their standard issue sidearm, but I digress).
There seem to be two different operating environments in SG1 - open field planets and spacecraft. For open field planets, I'd probably want something with reliability, range, and stopping power - like the Heckler & Koch G3 in .308 with plenty of extra 20 round magazines. Later on, we see big guys like Teal'c carry an M249 squad assault weapon but this is really just a faster-rate-of-fire, slightly-more-accurate-than-a-full-length-M16. It still fires 5.56 which is not exactly an armor piercing round. One little peave I've always had is that in "Children of the Gods", not a thing they fire can punch through Jaffe armor.... and then from the point they adopt thE P90, they slice through it like butter. The only thing the P90 really gives you is a high rate of fire, a long magazine, and a decently well adapted AP round in the SS190 duty cartridge that militaries and a few (Dallas Swat) law enforcement agencies buy... but it's nowhere NEAR as AP-capable as something like a solid core .308 round or even an AP 5.56 round. In all scenarios, I'd probably want to carry the Heckler & Koch Mk.23 Mod0 Expert in .45ACP as it's pretty much the single most accurate tactical .45 ever built (match accuracy).. Capacity is around 12 I believe. Just because you end up in a lot of scrapes on gate missions, I'd also want at least one concealed weapon, and if it had to conform to some basic military regulations, I'd probably make it a Ruger LCP in .380ACP.
For spaceship operations you'd want something a little more compact but with plenty of stopping power, like the H&K MP7 or the H&K UMP. Is it obvious yet I'm in love with H&K? If you were engaging people with body armor you'd want the MP5 b/c its new 4.6x30mm cartridge outstrips the 5.7 AP round in this aspect -- if not, you'd want the UMP because it's i.45ACP which is a superior man-stopping round. Two alternatives would be a folding AK74 in 7.62x39 which is an excellent cartridge inside 100m, or the older H&K MP5 in 10mm Norma, which I've only *heard* they actually made, but I"ve never seen one. 10mm Norma, for anyone who is a gun person but not familiar with, is a heavier anti-personnel pistol and submachine gun cartridge than .45ACP, and so considered most of the time to actually be overkill. For a very short period of time the FBI actually fielded pistols chambered in 10mm (the "Bren Ten") but as the agents already had trouble managing the recoil of .45ACP, it was hopeless. They soon chopped it down and invented the .40S&W and used that for quite some time... I think now they use .357 SIG. Sorry off topic !
I'm not an M9 Beretta fan but I'm curious to hear what someone like Rigil thinks of it, an actual serviceman who may've carried it and/or trained with it. I'm told they almost never actually see use because of the heavy reliance on the rifle.
I'm not even sure what the point of this thread was other than for me to brainstorm aloud . Gun guys out there -- you're on an SG team -- wohat would you ask for as your standard loadout?
PS: Why there was never a designated marksman on an SG team carrying something like the Army's DMR or even an M24 is beyond me! Would have been so cool to see in action! Actually I think there may be an M24 showing up later in the show...
Early in the show they carry MP5's and M9 Berettas. Later, of course, it became famous for sporting the P90 more than any other show. (Interestliny if nobody's ever noticed, The Ring operatives in "Chuck" have an FN Fiveseven with a weaponlight as their standard issue sidearm, but I digress).
There seem to be two different operating environments in SG1 - open field planets and spacecraft. For open field planets, I'd probably want something with reliability, range, and stopping power - like the Heckler & Koch G3 in .308 with plenty of extra 20 round magazines. Later on, we see big guys like Teal'c carry an M249 squad assault weapon but this is really just a faster-rate-of-fire, slightly-more-accurate-than-a-full-length-M16. It still fires 5.56 which is not exactly an armor piercing round. One little peave I've always had is that in "Children of the Gods", not a thing they fire can punch through Jaffe armor.... and then from the point they adopt thE P90, they slice through it like butter. The only thing the P90 really gives you is a high rate of fire, a long magazine, and a decently well adapted AP round in the SS190 duty cartridge that militaries and a few (Dallas Swat) law enforcement agencies buy... but it's nowhere NEAR as AP-capable as something like a solid core .308 round or even an AP 5.56 round. In all scenarios, I'd probably want to carry the Heckler & Koch Mk.23 Mod0 Expert in .45ACP as it's pretty much the single most accurate tactical .45 ever built (match accuracy).. Capacity is around 12 I believe. Just because you end up in a lot of scrapes on gate missions, I'd also want at least one concealed weapon, and if it had to conform to some basic military regulations, I'd probably make it a Ruger LCP in .380ACP.
For spaceship operations you'd want something a little more compact but with plenty of stopping power, like the H&K MP7 or the H&K UMP. Is it obvious yet I'm in love with H&K? If you were engaging people with body armor you'd want the MP5 b/c its new 4.6x30mm cartridge outstrips the 5.7 AP round in this aspect -- if not, you'd want the UMP because it's i.45ACP which is a superior man-stopping round. Two alternatives would be a folding AK74 in 7.62x39 which is an excellent cartridge inside 100m, or the older H&K MP5 in 10mm Norma, which I've only *heard* they actually made, but I"ve never seen one. 10mm Norma, for anyone who is a gun person but not familiar with, is a heavier anti-personnel pistol and submachine gun cartridge than .45ACP, and so considered most of the time to actually be overkill. For a very short period of time the FBI actually fielded pistols chambered in 10mm (the "Bren Ten") but as the agents already had trouble managing the recoil of .45ACP, it was hopeless. They soon chopped it down and invented the .40S&W and used that for quite some time... I think now they use .357 SIG. Sorry off topic !
I'm not an M9 Beretta fan but I'm curious to hear what someone like Rigil thinks of it, an actual serviceman who may've carried it and/or trained with it. I'm told they almost never actually see use because of the heavy reliance on the rifle.
I'm not even sure what the point of this thread was other than for me to brainstorm aloud . Gun guys out there -- you're on an SG team -- wohat would you ask for as your standard loadout?
PS: Why there was never a designated marksman on an SG team carrying something like the Army's DMR or even an M24 is beyond me! Would have been so cool to see in action! Actually I think there may be an M24 showing up later in the show...