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Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 2:48 pm
by Alelou
Hmm. Having worked for school textbook companies AND as a high school teacher, I'd say you should definitely read further in a subject before concluding you got the final word in an Honors high school class. Especially in the last twenty years or so, those textbooks are written to please state textbook committees that often have politically-appointed or elected members who are pushing their own agendas. And thus, for example, in states like Texas or Arkansas or wherever the politics run conservative, the books and the curriculum will present creationism as having equal weight as evolution even though almost all scientsts consider it utter hokum.

Not that you can't believe in God as the creator and still believe in a process of evolution.

Personally I think we need national education standards with national tests and a textbook/curriculum decision process that is somehow protected from politics, which ain't easy from either side.

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 2:58 pm
by WarpGirl
Considering I was born and raised in LI NY, I'd say my home state has a fairly "liberal" political agenda. I don't mean any disrespect to your experiences but on CNN there was a whole story on how scientists hoped thatthey have found a 40 million year old fossil that finally "Proves to be the missing link" to offer definitive proof that Evolution is no longer a theory. But they haven't had that sucess YET! Even Evolutionists have to admit that it is still a theory. Really though this isn't the place so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:20 pm
by Alelou
Well, yeah, you're definitely right about your home state as far as the education system goes, although NY has a lot more religious conservatives than most people realize and it does influence our politics quite a bit (there's a reason there's no gay marriage here yet). But yes, we can agree to disagree.

But I believe the 'missing link' debate you reference essentially has to do about the particular debate over exactly how modern man and the other primates evolved, as opposed to the theory of evolution in general. (I also have to say I tend to be a little skeptical of anything that got as much sophisticated media planning as that particular event did...I hope it's the real deal because if so that's really exciting, but doesn't it smell a bit like a snow job?)

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:28 pm
by WarpGirl
Well considering all of the indepentdent research I've done, and my own beliefs I thought that the fossil looked like a baby T-Rex. :wink: In the end it doesn't really matter. Suffice it to say, I've given the subject a lot of thought, time, and research, and I know where I stand.

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:31 pm
by Aquarius
I say we give it to the MythBusters to test. They proved that those conspiracy theorists who say we never landed on the moon are full of crap, maybe they can prove or disprove any theories about where life came from and how it became what it is today. 8)

That said, this may be a good spot to start confining our thoughts and feelings on the subject to the show and/or character in question.

So as they say on Monty Python, "And now, for something completely different...!"

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:32 pm
by Alelou
Aye, aye cap'n.

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:38 pm
by Aquarius
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only fan who's done a mental rewrite of a certain Dr. Seuss classic. Who could resist "Phlox in Socks"? :lol:

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:42 pm
by WarpGirl
<Insert Robbie McNeill's voice> Yes Ma'am! No fighting here Captain, and no hair pasta flying. <end Robbie McNiell's voiceover> That is BRILLIANT! I think Phlox would LOVE Dr. Seuss! Ironically, I HATED learning to read from his books too easy and the pictures were backwards. The red fish were on the page where it said blue fish. Very annoying to a 3yr old. :evil: I'll bet Phlox would want real "Green Eggs and Ham!" :wink:

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:52 pm
by Aquarius
I sort of had this uber-fluffy plot bunny where Trip and T'Pol have a kid and Trip's getting ready to read Dr. Seuss to him, and T'Pol's all "You're NOT rotting our child's brain by reading him THAT..." 'Cause, you know, all three year olds should be reading physics books and suff. :vulcan: And somehow it became "Phlox in Socks."

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:58 pm
by WarpGirl
Ohhhh DO IT! Please. I've read stories where T'Pol reads Elizabeth (who doesn't die) Seuss and a story where Trip Translates it into Vulcan because he's trying to learn to impress T'Pol. That was a good one. But your idea ROCKS. Please Please do it. <puppy eyes>

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:31 pm
by Escriba
OK, I don't think everybody would get this because this is from Pratchett's books (well, evcake will), but I can see T'Pol telling a tale to her child as if she was Susan Death (also known as Susan Sto Helit).

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:48 pm
by JadziaKathryn
I can totally see Phlox having a Dr. Seuss phase! And maybe he'd talk in rhymes?

Also, for some reason, I think he'd like the Sherlock Holmes stories. Can't really say why I think this, but it just seems to work for his character.

Now here's a question: what would Phlox think of soap operas??? :shock:

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:50 pm
by Escriba
I bet he would LOVE them, specially the overly-dramatic South American ones :lol:

Re: Phlox

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:59 pm
by WarpGirl
Well I think he would say they were "Quaint" but I have a feeling that he'd decide that humans complicate sexual and personal relationships beyond all understanding. Also considering what I've unintentionally seen from my great-grandmother's soaps, I think he might be shocked at some of it, like a brother of someone having an affair with his wife. I don't think even Denobulans do that. Can you tell I don't like soaps, oh well...

Re: Phlox

Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:15 am
by Aquarius
WarpGirl wrote:Ohhhh DO IT! Please. I've read stories where T'Pol reads Elizabeth (who doesn't die) Seuss and a story where Trip Translates it into Vulcan because he's trying to learn to impress T'Pol. That was a good one. But your idea ROCKS. Please Please do it. <puppy eyes>


lol we'll see. :lol: I have four--count 'em, FOUR--TnT stories in the works at the moment. Let me get a few finished than maybe I'll address this. :wink: