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Re: Justice system in Ent area and Star fleet

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:08 pm
by Kevin Thomas Riley
CX wrote:The thing that confuses my is why Dr. Soong was apparently sitting in a Starfleet prison during the augment episodes.

Perhaps he had been employed by Starfleet when he did his original research? Who knows, maybe he even had a commission. Not as a line officer, mind you, but still part of Starfleet.

Re: Justice system in Ent area and Star fleet

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:14 pm
by Linda
Maybe Soong was just a civilian employee of Starfleet? There are precedents today for that. Or the company he worked for had a contract with Starfleet?

Re: Justice system in Ent area and Star fleet

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:41 pm
by CX
A civilian contractor would still be sent to a Federal prison today though. Although this is one more example of how, despite what Archer said about Starfleet not being a military, it showed us that it is. Would NASA have its own prison system? I kinda doubt it.

As for the United Earth thing, canon tells us that Earth was completely united by 2150 at the latest. A lot of people take the dialog that told us that to mean that Australia was the las hold out for whatever reason, but it was just being used by Crusher (IIRC) as an example for if Earth hadn't been united at the time of the Federation's founding, and if that would've prevented Earth's entry into the Federation.

Re: Justice system in Ent area and Star fleet

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:48 pm
by Kevin Thomas Riley
CX wrote:A civilian contractor would still be sent to a Federal prison today though. Although this is one more example of how, despite what Archer said about Starfleet not being a military, it showed us that it is. Would NASA have its own prison system? I kinda doubt it.

Quite! Which is why I tend to think that Soong wasn't a civilian but had a commission with Starfleet. Unless of course Earth itself in this era is much more militaristic/fascist/communist (take your pick) than we're lead to believe.

Re: Justice system in Ent area and Star fleet

Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:22 pm
by Lady Rainbow
Kevin Thomas Riley wrote:
CX wrote:A civilian contractor would still be sent to a Federal prison today though. Although this is one more example of how, despite what Archer said about Starfleet not being a military, it showed us that it is. Would NASA have its own prison system? I kinda doubt it.

Quite! Which is why I tend to think that Soong wasn't a civilian but had a commission with Starfleet. Unless of course Earth itself in this era is much more militaristic/fascist/communist (take your pick) than we're lead to believe.


I think Soong either had a (reserve?) commission w/Starfleet or he was in employment w/them. Maybe he was working for Section 31? I don't think even S31 would ignore someone of Soong's brilliance (even if he was a bit loopy) and NOT try to recruit him somehow.

And I think you might be right, KTR. Even though Starfleet might seem like the noble instituition, it really isn't THAT long after the Eugenics Wars and First Contact, so it makes sense that Earth might still have some "protective measures" in place for its civilians. Starfleet and Earth still has a ways to go before TNG, or even TOS.

Re: Justice system in Ent area and Star fleet

Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:47 pm
by Asso
Lady Rainbow wrote: Starfleet and Earth still has a ways to go before TNG, or even TOS.

And maybe even beyond.
I was always under the impression that Earth Star Fleet wasn't only an "Exploration Star Fleet".

Re: Justice system in Ent area and Star fleet

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:21 pm
by panyasan
Thanks everyone for your input! I can really use your ideas. I finally started to write a story (remembering the saying Just start writing) and I am really enjoying writing :D

Re: Justice system in Ent area and Star fleet

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:42 pm
by Linda
In TOS, both Kirk and Spock were defendants in court martial cases. I think every series had at least one such episode and it seemed military style rather than civilian. Why don't you take a look at the TOS episodes first as that is what the ENT justice system must have evolved into. Or have your ENT story follow more what form the current military justice system(s) on earth are like. Well, guess I am a bit late getting into this discussion. I hope you write your story and submit to Triax.

Re: Justice system in Ent area and Star fleet

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:39 pm
by panyasan
Thanks, Linda, for your advice. It is really a good idea to take a look at the TOS episodes, esp. when it comes to the :vulcan: Vulcan point of view.