Weird TnT Dynamics

[WarpGirl]

Nobody said marriage isn't about love. We're only saying that love isn't the only reason people marry. I didn't marry the first man I fell in love with. It doesn't mean I didn't love him. In any case nobody is trying to destroy anybody's "illusions."

[Asso]

When will be you able to read me, WarpGirl? Never, I think.
Evidently we are too distant.
I was talking of "poetry" and you replied with "prose".
Our minds are unable to touch each other. What a pity.
But probably it is my shortcoming.

[WarpGirl]

Unless you are William Shakespere and you have the context of a play two people cannot have a conversation using poetry. Maybe if you just said straight out this is what I mean without adding a million metaphors with no context I'd understand you.

[Asso]

No. I'm Dante Alighieri. Or Boccaccio, if you prefer prose.

[Escriba]

Anyway, about Evil and Good... Well, I didn't believe I might start this discussion. You have to imagine that I merely wanted to display my personal love for dramatic scenes. Well! You know how I'm made.

You are made of dreams

About marriage, I think that what Asso was trying to say is that we always try to seek love and find a partner and that that it's the natural way of things. Is it, Asso?

[Asso]

I love the Basque women. ONE basque woman in particular.

[WarpGirl]

Hmm well, IDK I guess my point is not everyone seeks love when they marry. Sure most people do now. But for thousands of years of human history, it was not the number one reqirement for a successful marriage. So while I will concede it most likely is the "natural way" it is not the only way. And that's not a "bad" thing unless it causes harm to someone. Sometimes it doesn't.

[Escriba]

Just to save you (and us) hours and hours and hours of arguing, I want to say that actually both of you are right, because both of you are talking about different things.

And as I know how stubborn the two of you are, it's better if the discussion remains as it is now

To the topic, more or less: Don't you think that Trip and T'Pol are a little "I can't live with or without you"? We have a Spanish saying: "Ser como el perro del hortelano, que ni come ni deja comer" (To be like the farmer's dog, that neither eats nor lets eat).

[WarpGirl]

Um no I don't think they're can't live with or without you. I think they never had a decent in-depth completely honest conversation about their relationship. Even in Bound. I think if they ever started true communication and honesty they would find that not only could they live with each other in relative harmony, (well as much as any two imperfect people can) they'd thrive.

[Asso]

Just to save you (and us) hours and hours and hours of arguing, I want to say that actually both of you are right, because both of you are talking about different things.

And as I know how stubborn the two of you are, it's better if the discussion remains as it is now

Stubborn? Me? Really? Oh my! But if I'm the most easygoing of men!
Mh... or not?

[Alelou]

They do sometimes remind of that old Beatles song...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EJtmYiAtxc

I don't like you
But i love you
See that i'm always
Thinking of you
Oh, oh, oh,
You treat me badly
I love you madly
You've really got a hold on me
You've really got a hold on me, baby

I don't want you,
But i need you
Don't want to kiss you
But i need you
Oh, oh, oh
You do me wrong now
My love is strong now
You've really got a hold on me
You've really got a hold on me, baby

I love you and all i want you to do
Is just hold me, hold me, hold me, hold me

I want to leave you
Don't want to stay here
Don't want to spend
Another day here
Oh, oh, oh, i want to split now
I just can quit now
You've really got a hold on me
You've really got a hold on me, baby

I love you and all i want you to do
Is just hold me, hold me, hold me, hold me

You've really got a hold on me
You've really got a hold on me

[WarpGirl]

I like Zooey Deschanel's version better. In any case I'm not going to bother anymore. I'm obviously defective in my understanding therefore I GIVE UP!

[Alelou]

Is that the older version? The Beatles actually isn't the one I was thinking of, but since the sound had gone out on my YouTube I wasn't exactly exploring.

Of course, then I wondered why that was happening, so I restarted, but my computer wouldn't restart, so I spent the next twenty minutes sweating about the possible loss of all my grades in progress instead of going to bed at 8:30 like I felt like doing.

This is probably because I updated Mozilla today. Either that or because yesterday one of the google alerts came up weird on me, but I thought I safely clicked out of it. (And so much for McAfee if it can't keep me safe. Here was a site that said food pantry for my town, and since I volunteer at the food pantry for my town, I was curious to see what it was (we're not exactly web-savvy down there). All of a sudden I'm getting windows popping up asking me to scan for viruses, which of course I didn't take them up on, but God only knows. I'll be emailing files all over creation until my grading is done now.)

[WarpGirl]

Nope Zooey Deschanel is pretty new. Anyway YIKES does not sound good.

[Aikiweezie]

Okay - now its sometimes hard to get the truth - but as near as I can see, here's the story on the "plan" for romance on the show. Anyone can correct me if they've heard different.

When the pilot was written, the idea was that TnT would provide the opposites attract/ interspecies romance and Archer would be free to romance the alien babe-of-the-week. Think how Riker/Troi were set up as a romance in the pilot of TNG - while Picard was free and only later did they explore the P/C thing. B&B softened that stance when the pilot was being shot - leaving things open but you still have remnants of the original plan in the famous decon scene, in Strange New World and other early episodes. But they also tested T'Pol with Malcolm (Shuttlepod One) and Archer (The Andorian Incident/Shadows of P'Jem). They then decided to play with a TnT friendship in Breaking the Ice.

Apparently, however, as the ratings dropped in the second season and Archer wasn't testing as well as they wanted, they decided to try and go for A/T and have Trip be the one romancing the alien babes of the week. You see that all over the second season. Eye bleach, I know, but that's what they decided. Then, they recognized that A/T had no chemistry and that it would be very difficult to write any Archer romance into the planned Xindi Arc so they went back to the original plan and decided to have TnT fall in love. I'm afraid I don't know much about why Manny Coto decided to go the artificial separation route in Season 4, as he was a big believer in that relationship.

On top of that, certain writers, like Mike Sussman always continued to prefer A/T - and so when he writes episodes that tends to bubble up.

But this indecisiveness sure explains some of the weird TnT dynamics over the course of the series.

Well there's very obvious chemistry/sexual tension between Connor and Jolenee. Their paring somehow just "works," right from the first decon scene as far as I'm concerned.