Paxton's goal

[Escriba]

Ehhhh... sorry if I look stupid but... why did Masaro need to access Phlox's archives? He needed Trip and T'Pol's DNA and you can do it taking just a hair or a sample of blood. Masaro worked with the two of them, so it would be easy.

[WarpGirl]

No that's pretty smart, just um generic. I tend to go for larger than life in fiction especially sci-fi.

[pdsldl]

Ehhhh... sorry if I look stupid but... why did Masaro need to access Phlox's archives? He needed Trip and T'Pol's DNA and you can do it taking just a hair or a sample of blood. Masaro worked with the two of them, so it would be easy.

I may be wrong but I don't think a hair sample would be sufficient to create a binary clone, especially one with two different species. Many trials would most likely be needed and a larger supply of DNA.

As to why Phlox would have DNA locked up. It's private genetic material that in the wrong hands could be dangerous. It had better be locked up. Didn't this come up when T'Pau's DNA was identified by DNA taken at her birth and stored somewhere. It was established that if Vulcans were like humans it would take someone pretty powerful to have gotten access to that DNA. So I can't see Phlox not taking that seriouly and keeping it protected.

[Silverbullet]

Okay, agree that Phlox would have locked up the DNA for that reason.

also agree that Hair and nail clippings or the like would be insufficient to make clones from two diferent species.

Think that Paxton had a lot of info before he ordered Masweru to steal the DNA. He must have told Maseru specifically to steal TnT's DNA

Had maeru not have been told anything but to steal DNA from two persons one being
T-Pol he might have selected Archer as the other since Paxton had not ordered him
to steal any one specific male. Masru may have thought that ARcher would be thought of as the one T-Pol would more likely have an affair with than anyone else on the ship.
Even with the rumors abut TNT. he might have redgarded them as just that, false Rumors.

[WarpGirl]

Nah Masaro was an engineer, he saw Trip all broken hearted and with those nuropressure rumors well it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

[Escriba]

I may be wrong but I don't think a hair sample would be sufficient to create a binary clone, especially one with two different species. Many trials would most likely be needed and a larger supply of DNA.

But are we talking of genetic material or genetic material? Because with actual technology, to create a clone you need *aheam* a special type of cells. A type of cells that I don't think Phlox would be storing (except if Trip and T'Pol were expecting to get T'Pol pregnant.)

If it's only knowing the DNA to later recreate it in a computer, a hair sample is enough.

[pdsldl]

I may be wrong but I don't think a hair sample would be sufficient to create a binary clone, especially one with two different species. Many trials would most likely be needed and a larger supply of DNA.

But are we talking of genetic material or genetic material? Because with actual technology, to create a clone you need *aheam* a special type of cells. A type of cells that I don't think Phlox would be storing (except if Trip and T'Pol were expecting to get T'Pol pregnant.)

If it's only knowing the DNA to later recreate it in a computer, a hair sample is enough.

I don't think a computer can replicate DNA . To clone you need the nucleus of a cell to get a viable embryo. If you want to get a viable fetus from two species it would think you need the strongest samples to start with and I'm not sure how you'd get a hair sample with follcles intact and keep them viable and healthy. Blood would be best and that was most likely what Phlox had stored.

[Escriba]

You can resequence meat but you can't recreate DNA?

[WarpGirl]

Good point.

[pdsldl]

Meats not going to recreate a being so any defects wouldn't be that big a deal. I have a big enough problem with the uses of real DNA and synthetic DNA is beyond scary. Paxton's insanity turned loss with computer generated DNA is creepy.

Also if they could recreate DNA with the computer then Sim wouldn't have been necessary because Phlox would just have create the brain tissue he needed with the computer.

[WarpGirl]

It's the principle of it though, besides Elizabeth's DNA was flawed.

[Silverbullet]

What did Phlox use to create Sim?

I believe Blood out of Trip. I may be wrong though.

I agree that making a clone would take more than hair samples.

those thngs can be used in forensics to prove DNA but better is blood.

that is why Semen is taken from a Rape victem that is Blood based.

Now if Phlox had stored something for later if TnT wanted a child why not an Egg from T-Pol andperhaps a Sperm sample from Trip. that Maseru could steal and Paxton could incubate the embryo and create a child. he had time to let it reach six months old.

[pdsldl]

It's the principle of it though, besides Elizabeth's DNA was flawed.

It was flawed by the technique used and may have been done purposely.

[Silverbullet]

PDSIL, didn't Phlox say the the Doctors who engineered Elizabeth made a mistake in the process.

It may have been on purpose but the way that phlox put it seemed to be saying it was a mistake that might have been made by anyone by accident.

Why would Paxton risk that? elizabeth was having problems and might have died before Paxton had a chance to use her.

True it could have been t ticking time bomb put into elizabeth to go off at a predetermined
moment.

[Escriba]

Meats not going to recreate a being so any defects wouldn't be that big a deal. I have a big enough problem with the uses of real DNA and synthetic DNA is beyond scary. Paxton's insanity turned loss with computer generated DNA is creepy.

Also if they could recreate DNA with the computer then Sim wouldn't have been necessary because Phlox would just have create the brain tissue he needed with the computer.

That's why I want to believe it isn't possible. In the "Augment Arc" what Soong had was embryos. So it seems like you need the usual stuff. An ovule, at least.

Where did they find T'Pol's? Silverbullet theory works. Perhaps Phlox stored the samples of some crewmen after finding out that he had/will discover a technique to create hybrids like Lorian. But I can't think, for the life in me, a way to convince T'Pol to give an egg.

PHLOX: Sub-Commander, I need one of your ovules.
T'POL: I beg your pardon?
PHLOX: I need your ovules, one at least. I want to discover if Human/Vulcan procreation is possible.
T'POL: (after a freezing silence) Request denied.
PHLOX: Ohhh... C'mon, T'Pol...
T'POL: Of course not.
PHLOX: If you don't, I will tell everybody that you watched "LadyHawk".
T'POL: You wouldn't.
PHLOX: And you enjoyed it.
T'POL: How many ovules did you say?

I don't think so