"Enterprise: The Romulan War"

[pdsldl]

Kotik, you are right. Spies have to be careful about being too emotional but they have to act normal so a little emotion would be expected.

No James Bond spies out there. One in the 1800 was as close to James bond as you will ever get.

These days ordinatry loking types and ordinary actig types. So trip might do farily well as a Spy.

The problem is that he was pretending first to be a Romulan (which I can buy because they are not totally unemotional) but now he's on Vulcan pretending to be a Vulcan. He might be able to get away with it off-world (by saying he's a V'Tosh Ka'tur) but it's a stretch to believe he could keep his emotions off his face and out of his body language on a planet full of Vulcan who are telepaths/empaths.

[Asso]

If someone read my "Without End" could see that I thought Trip died on Vulcan. I'm not the only who had this idea. For example, Kevin - a writer I really admire - wrote that Trip went to Vulcan with T'Pol.
But my Trip is a Human among Vulcans, and he stays hidden on Vulcan from Vulcans and from Humans and few people know who he is.

[honeybee]

I think the issue of Trip being a lousy Vulcan has been addressed in the book. Before T'Pol even recognizes Trip, she knows something is off about him. And it seems he's spent his time cloistered away in T'Les's house for good reason. So, if he does stay on Vulcan for an extended period of time, I think Martin is going to have to explain how he gets away with it.

I do think that the bond is presented in a more romantic way in the RW than it has been in previous books. There's a connection articulated that's very passionate, and T'Pol realizes that they are mates and in a Syrranite marriage much like Denak and Y'cha. But I also think Martin is going to continue to use the bond to further the plot.

I know Y'cha has melded with Trip, but we don't know if that automatically means she would recognize his bond with T'Pol. Somehow I think that bond it going to help TnT figure out whatever is up with Denak and Y'cha.

[Asso]

If someone read my "Without End" could see that I thought Trip died on Vulcan. I'm not the only who had this idea. For example, Kevin - a writer I really admire - wrote that Trip went to Vulcan with T'Pol.
But my Trip is a Human among Vulcans, and he stays hidden on Vulcan from Vulcans and from Humans and few people know who he is.

I like this idea. Do you think I should develop it, one day?

[WarpGirl]

Um you should do what you want. Personally I think TnT should settle on Vulcan too. But although Kevin was astounding in some areas I think he went overboard Vulcanizing Trip. I can't think of any reason why he shouldn't be allowed to have a family openly on Vulcan, being human, while accepting and embracing Vulcan traditions for his family.

But BACK OT, I am not liking the premise of these books.

[Asso]

I can't think of any reason why he shouldn't be allowed to have a family openly on Vulcan, being human, while accepting and embracing Vulcan traditions for his family.

You forget Terraprimers and then, I don't think Vulcans would accept him so easily.

[WarpGirl]

It's precisely because of the Terra Prime I think they should live on Vulcan. And you know we don't agree on Vulcans so I'll leave it at that.

[honeybee]

As far as the books go, in Last Full Measure - Trip has been in hiding, but he is not Vulcan in appearance from what I can remember.

But I seriously doubt Section 31 would be happy if he officially came back from the dead at any point. They don't want anyone to know they exist, and Trip is famous enough that I would imagine they would not be happy if he came in from the cold. It would bring up too many questions.

My prediction is that Trip will spend some time on Vulcan - as T'Pol's mate - but how much time, and how he will manage to get away with being Vulcan and how he winds up where he is in Last Full Measure - we'll have to wait and see.

[WarpGirl]

Here's my chief objection It should be Malcolm mixed up with section 31. Why Trip? Besides the fact that they need him alive!

[honeybee]

Malcolm recruits Trip into Section 31 because they need someone to find out about the Romulan plan for a Warp 7 engine, which they fear would make the coalition powerless to stop a Romulan invasion. Malcolm is up to his eyeballs in the spy plots in the earlier books, and he's the one who helps arrange Trip's fake death.

Yes, it's a stretch to think that Trip would be the spy, but he's the one who needed bringing back from the dead. And Malcolm is very involved in the spy plots in The Good That Men Do and Kobyashu Maru. He's got a smaller part in RW (waaaaay too small) but an important role as tactical officer.

[WarpGirl]

I guess I'm boring. I think of Malcolm as my spy, not Trip.

[Asso]

It's precisely because of the Terra Prime I think they should live on Vulcan. And you know we don't agree on Vulcans so I'll leave it at that.

WarpGirl, I love Vulcans, and probably I love them more than you, because I'm older than you and had more time to develop my love for them. And also to develop a little bit of criticism with regard to them and the way they have been described. That doesn't mean that I don't like them, I repeat. But, at the same time, that means that I got the idea that they are often idealized, instead they are living creatures, nothing else.
But, that said, I, too, think it's better I break off any further discussion.

[Aikiweezie]

Um you should do what you want. Personally I think TnT should settle on Vulcan too. But although Kevin was astounding in some areas I think he went overboard Vulcanizing Trip. I can't think of any reason why he shouldn't be allowed to have a family openly on Vulcan, being human, while accepting and embracing Vulcan traditions for his family.

I could go with Trip & T'Pol living on Vulcan and having a family after all this "spy stuff," but first I would like him to return to Enterprise for at least a short time, and also return to earth long enough to let his family know that he is alive, meet T'Pol and all that stuff.

I hate fics that basically turn Trip into a Vulcan and that have T&T communicating telepathically rather than speaking to each other all the tume. Wouldn't happen. And there's no precedent for that in Star Trek for bonds to work that way anyway. I think that if they were to live on Vulcan as a bonded couple the locals would just have to deal with it. It seems that everyone knows T'Pol is a bit excentric. And it sure would be interesting.......

[WarpGirl]

I have no problem with telepathy. But I don't think it should be the main form of communication. And well there is Will and Deanna when it comes to that stuff. Even Tuvok has done it. But I agree some writers take it too far. But I have to say in my experience the majority tend to make T'Pol human rather than eccentric.

[Silverbullet]

Asso, you can write anything, go for it.

Personally, I would like Trip to return to being physical Trip drop the vulcan disguise, go back too Enterprise, marry T-Pol and settle down one Earth. Get the Hell out of the spy bbusiness. Too damned dangerous and 31 if is typical Spooks will use him and leave hi holding the bag. Believe me they have no soul they will use anyone and often not even tell the person until thigs go bad, they tip toe out and the poor sap is headed for some lousy foreign prison. Or the wall.