WarpGirl wrote:I'm starting to wonder if we're all saying the same thing in completely different ways.
Yeah, me too. I can't be sure, but I *think* we're all more or less in agreement, after adjusting for the different definitions we seem to have for our words. Maybe.
Asso wrote:You see, as I'm trying to explain (but I understand that it is pretty hard to share) is that we are not at all talking about different people: I repeat, they are identical in all respects.
Here Asso claims they are identical in ALL respects. Then read his very next sentence:
Asso wrote:It is indeed true that their behaviour is a consequence of the environment in which they formed, on this I agree with Transwarp.
But their behaviour is different. So clearly the meaning of 'identical' is different to Asso and to me.
When Asso insists RU TnT and MU TnT are identical, I feel like the little boy who lost his dog, and whose parents try to console him by telling him they will get him another dog. But he doesn't want another dog, he wants Spot. They are not the same.
Asso, if RU Trip lost RU T'Pol, would he be consoled if you gave him MU T'Pol? I think not! They are not identical. They are not interchangeable.
I think when Asso says they are the same, he means they have the same potential. That MU TnT could grow and learn and become decent, moral people. I agree that they can; but after they do, they'll STILL be different people. (Not interchangeable.)
And the romantic in Asso seems to believes that no version of TnT in any universe can be less than soul mates. This I can also agree with. I just can't call what we saw on the episode between MU TnT 'love'. It was an attraction of some kind, but it was too self-serving to be love. Could it become love someday? Of course. I agree with Asso that the potential for change is an inherent part of being human. But for all that they change, they will always be uniquely different people. Trip would never want any other T'Pol than his T'Pol, and vice versa.
As for 'universes' versus 'dimensions', that seems to me to be a distinction without a difference. But I'm NOT going to say they're the same!