Why end the bond?

[WarpGirl]

And yes it is possible to sever a mating bond if both parties wish it. it's called p'pil'lay. But this is nearly unheard of.

While I've always believed severing a mating bond was possible, I've never heard of the term "p'pil'lay". Where is that from? Fanfic? Novels? I know it's not in canon. Googling I've now seen it in online Vulcan dictionaries, but where is it from originally?

I have no idea. They didn't use the word in "Amok Time" when Spock rejected T'Pring. I just used the LVD.

[Aquarius]

The various Vulcan dictionaries out there also have words for some other very interesting things that I didn't expect, which I discovered through the course of my own research. I was at once disturbed and highly amused.

[michelle]

Has is been established by the Star Trek gods that Spock was the FIRST Human/Vulcan offspring? I nexer heard that before.

I Just wanted to add my proof that Spock was not the first human/vulcan hybrid.

TOS had an animated series come out, with an episode were Spock goes back in time to save himself from being killed. He goes and stays at his childhood home with Sarek and family.

While he's talking to his younger self at some point he says "There are members of my family with human blood and it's not lethal"... Or something like that. I only watched it once quite some time ago. Young Spock didnt bat an eye lid at the mention there were others like him. So I'm guessing he's always known that although there's not many like him, there are some.

And I'm going to say that TnT's kids are some of them.

[pdsldl]

I tend to agree that Spock couldn't be the first hybrid. The Vulcans had been cruising around the galaxy for more than a century and not all Vulcans followed the strict doctrine (Kov, Tolaris, and others on their ship, etc...) were open to new ideas and experimentation. And someone had to have entered Pon Farr far away from home and resolved it with whomever was available. I find it hard to believe there wasn't at least a little mixing it up with other species somewhere out there, but not many many know about it with all that Vulcan secrecy and denial.

[Asso]

...And someone had to have entered Pon Farr far away from home and resolved it with whomever was available...

But... any thought to take the pill?

[Navigator]

...And someone had to have entered Pon Farr far away from home and resolved it with whomever was available...

Heck, if they showed up during Mardi Gras no one would even notice them. They could just pass themselves off as Info Systems people "from up north". As long as they recognized the mating call of the LSU co-ed, "Lordy, I am soooo DRUNK!", things would go fine.

[JadziaKathryn]

...And someone had to have entered Pon Farr far away from home and resolved it with whomever was available...

But... any thought to take the pill?

Moreover, it seems to take some genetic tinkering to have a viable human/Vulcan child, so it stands to reason this would be true for most species. Unless there are other species very similar to Vulcans. (Obviously, Romulans.) I think the TNG episode "Who Watches the Watchers" had a 'proto-Vulcan' people. So perhaps there are Vulcanoid species with which Vulcans could easily have children. But with most species I don't think it would be a case of, "Surprise! She's pregnant!"

[Elessar]

...And someone had to have entered Pon Farr far away from home and resolved it with whomever was available...

Heck, if they showed up during Mardi Gras no one would even notice them. They could just pass themselves off as Info Systems people "from up north". As long as they recognized the mating call of the LSU co-ed, "Lordy, I am soooo DRUNK!", things would go fine.

lol, except that from what we know of Pon Farr, it would probably end in a rape!

[pdsldl]

Genetic manipulation or not it seems nature always wins out somehow and who's to say other races didn't figure out how to combine Vulcan and their own DNA. It's not like the Vulcans were ever going to publicize the facts.

I also think that had TnT had babies after Elizabeth and Terra Prime uproar they would have kept it quiet for the kids safety.

[Asso]

I also think that had TnT had babies after Elizabeth and Terra Prime uproar they would have kept it quiet for the kids safety.

Useless to say I agree totally with you.

[WarpGirl]

I've always thought that Trip and T'Pol would raise any children on Vulcan and not let anyone from Earth or Starfleet find out they were indeed part human. Their human heritage would be a closely guarded secret, and I doubt Trip would encourage them to join Starfleet. I'm not saying they wouldn't join the Vulcan fleet or not be aware of their dual heritage, but I'd bet they'd be raised as Vulcans. Only allowing their human side to have a place in their private family lives.

[Asso]

I've always thought that Trip and T'Pol would raise any children on Vulcan and not let anyone from Earth or Starfleet find out they were indeed part human. Their human heritage would be a closely guarded secret, and I doubt Trip would encourage them to join Starfleet. I'm not saying they wouldn't join the Vulcan fleet or not be aware of their dual heritage, but I'd bet they'd be raised as Vulcans. Only allowing their human side to have a place in their private family lives.

Doubtlessly,but I also think Trip should have disappeared: TerraPrimers and their cut-throat acolytes were waiting in ambush.

[Elessar]

I've always thought that Trip and T'Pol would raise any children on Vulcan and not let anyone from Earth or Starfleet find out they were indeed part human. Their human heritage would be a closely guarded secret, and I doubt Trip would encourage them to join Starfleet. I'm not saying they wouldn't join the Vulcan fleet or not be aware of their dual heritage, but I'd bet they'd be raised as Vulcans. Only allowing their human side to have a place in their private family lives.

Doubtlessly,but I also think Trip should have disappeared: TerraPrimers and their cut-throat acolytes were waiting in ambush.

They could also just very well lose their support and dissolve like lots of radical groups (Branch Davidians) do.

[Aquarius]

I've always thought that Trip and T'Pol would raise any children on Vulcan and not let anyone from Earth or Starfleet find out they were indeed part human. Their human heritage would be a closely guarded secret, and I doubt Trip would encourage them to join Starfleet. I'm not saying they wouldn't join the Vulcan fleet or not be aware of their dual heritage, but I'd bet they'd be raised as Vulcans. Only allowing their human side to have a place in their private family lives.

That works, assuming they come out looking just like T'Pol. What if they don't get their mother's ears?

[Asso]

I've always thought that Trip and T'Pol would raise any children on Vulcan and not let anyone from Earth or Starfleet find out they were indeed part human. Their human heritage would be a closely guarded secret, and I doubt Trip would encourage them to join Starfleet. I'm not saying they wouldn't join the Vulcan fleet or not be aware of their dual heritage, but I'd bet they'd be raised as Vulcans. Only allowing their human side to have a place in their private family lives.

Doubtlessly,but I also think Trip should have disappeared: TerraPrimers and their cut-throat acolytes were waiting in ambush.

They could also just very well lose their support and dissolve like lots of radical groups (Branch Davidians) do.

That's possible, but if we have to look at the history of many radical groups on Earth, it sounds unlikely.
And secrecy and difficulties reinforce often them. History teaches.