Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Romulans, phase-inverters, friendships, OH MY!

Moderators: justTripn, Elessar, dark_rain

User avatar
Escriba
Fleet Captain
Fleet Captain
Posts: 1194
Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:03 pm
Show On Map: No
Location: Spain, the rainy part

Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby Escriba » Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:51 am

Imagine you are writing an alternative third season :roll: and there are those little episodes that you can change. Imagine:

- You've made "Exile" a little more interesting.
- You are having doubts about "North Star", but, well...
- "Chosen Realm" has to stay because it develops the story about the spheres.
- You've dumped "Damages" because you've changed "Hatchery", "Azati Prime" and "The Forgotten" a little.

But... but... what about "Carpenter Street"? Is there any way to make it interesting or you decide to dump it and not to stand on ceremony?

I find the episode stupid, but maybe it's because I didn't see the potential. Maybe the fact that Archer and T'Pol are taken to 2004 and not to another year means something. Because, why then? Yes, I know, it's because the show was shot in that time, but is there any way to give it a reason?
Image

"I mean... well, you know what people call men who wear wigs and gowns, don't you?"
"Yes, miss."
"You do?"
"Yes, miss. Lawyers, miss."

The Fifth Elephant by Terry Pratchett

User avatar
justTripn
Consigliere
Posts: 3991
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:12 pm
Show On Map: No
Location: Pittsburgh

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby justTripn » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:54 am

Throw "Carpenter Street" out an airlock.
I'm donating my body to science fiction.

User avatar
Alelou
Rear Admiral
Rear Admiral
Posts: 7894
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:05 pm
Twitter username: @sheerhubris
Show On Map: No
Location: Upstate New York
Contact:

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby Alelou » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:02 pm

Well, obviously, you send Trip and T'Pol back instead of Archer and T'Pol.

OR you have Archer and T'Pol actually converse about something interesting instead of wasting all that time with some retread character from Starsky and Hutch. And give Trip and the rest of the crew a cool subplot on the ship while A & T are off doing their thing.

If you're looking for a real challenge you could get into the Reptilian POV and try to make at least one of them halfway sympathetic, just to see if it's possible, but hey we're writing fanfic here, we're not getting paid for this.

But most of all you tell Escriba to get her butt in gear because you're waiting to read those chapters!
OMG, ANOTHER new chapter! NORTH STAR Chapter 28
Image.Image
Read opening chapters free at Amazon (US): The Awful Mess: A Love Story
Blog: Sheer Hubris Press / Twitter: @sheerhubris / Facebook: Sandra Hutchison

User avatar
krn
Lieutenant Commander
Lieutenant Commander
Posts: 212
Joined: Tue May 08, 2007 4:34 pm

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby krn » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:06 pm

you don't send the alien to 2004.

But then that's common sense, thus not good tv. If the writers hadn't fracked Archer & Trips relationship it could have been a great buddy episode.
avatar by me
--
I got hugged

User avatar
Alelou
Rear Admiral
Rear Admiral
Posts: 7894
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:05 pm
Twitter username: @sheerhubris
Show On Map: No
Location: Upstate New York
Contact:

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby Alelou » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:08 pm

krn wrote:you don't send the alien to 2004.

But then that's common sense, thus not good tv. If the writers hadn't fracked Archer & Trips relationship it could have been a great buddy episode.


Yeah, I agree on that last point. But it is kind of charming watching an alien and a human both confused by 2004 earth.
OMG, ANOTHER new chapter! NORTH STAR Chapter 28
Image.Image
Read opening chapters free at Amazon (US): The Awful Mess: A Love Story
Blog: Sheer Hubris Press / Twitter: @sheerhubris / Facebook: Sandra Hutchison

dialee
Lieutenant Commander
Lieutenant Commander
Posts: 196
Joined: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:13 pm

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby dialee » Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:27 pm

I totally agree with KRN, it would have been a wonderful buddy episode between Trip and Archer or Trip & Malcolm.

I can't even remember why it had to be T'Pol.

User avatar
JadziaKathryn
Commodore
Commodore
Posts: 2348
Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:57 pm
Show On Map: No
Location: Northeastern USA

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby JadziaKathryn » Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:43 pm

Because, to steal Rigil-isms, it was the Super!Archer and Sidekick!Polly show. :roll: Carpenter Street was before the hearing-impaired among the writing staff heard the death knell for A/T.
Image

User avatar
Asso
Site Donor
Posts: 6336
Joined: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:13 am
Show On Map: No
Location: Italy
Contact:

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby Asso » Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:55 pm

I must say that I never have been able to see "Carpenter Street" wholly.
IMO, that episode was nothing.
Because nothing it was able to show.
So, how could this episode turn into something very interesting?
Rewriting it totally.
Maybe (as many of you are suggesting) bringing together Archer and Trip, instead than Archer and T'Pol.
But... Canon is that.
Who knows?
Could it be possible that Enterprise(and Trip) does something from far ? (and from the future?)
Well yes. I continue to write. And on Fanfiction.Net, for those who want, it is possible to cast a glance at my latest efforts. We arrived to
The Ears of the Elves, chapter Forty-four


And here is the beginning of the whole story.
Image

But, I must say, you could also find something else on Fanfiction.net written by me. If you want.

User avatar
JadziaKathryn
Commodore
Commodore
Posts: 2348
Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:57 pm
Show On Map: No
Location: Northeastern USA

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby JadziaKathryn » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:09 pm

Here's what I want to know:

Does Daniels have any skills other than making his technology do cool tricks? I mean, he's got some nifty technology, but that's about it. It was one thing when he was trying to counteract TCW stuff in the ENT period. Then he has to get Archer to save the future after the Suliban muck it up in Archer's time. But now all of the sudden he's completely unable to do anything, in any time period, without Archer. :vulcan:

And where did the Xindi get the ability to time-travel?
Image

User avatar
Escriba
Fleet Captain
Fleet Captain
Posts: 1194
Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:03 pm
Show On Map: No
Location: Spain, the rainy part

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby Escriba » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:32 pm

Alelou wrote:But most of all you tell Escriba to get her butt in gear because you're waiting to read those chapters!

*Military salute* Yes, ma'ma. Immediately, ma'ma *Escriba runs to write for her dearest life*

OK, so make it a Archer and Trip episode, while T'Pol distresses a little after "Similitude". Yes, yes, it's a good idea, I can do it.

JadziaKathryn wrote:Then he has to get Archer to save the future after the Suliban muck it up in Archer's time. But now all of the sudden he's completely unable to do anything, in any time period, without Archer. :vulcan:

And where did the Xindi get the ability to time-travel?

*Maniacal laugh* Ohhh... thank you... I think I HAVE A PLAN. Heheee... :badgrin:
Image

"I mean... well, you know what people call men who wear wigs and gowns, don't you?"
"Yes, miss."
"You do?"
"Yes, miss. Lawyers, miss."

The Fifth Elephant by Terry Pratchett

User avatar
Drogna
Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Posts: 87
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:14 pm
Show On Map: No
Location: Oxford, UK
Contact:

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby Drogna » Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:00 pm

JadziaKathryn wrote:Here's what I want to know:

Does Daniels have any skills other than making his technology do cool tricks? I mean, he's got some nifty technology, but that's about it. It was one thing when he was trying to counteract TCW stuff in the ENT period. Then he has to get Archer to save the future after the Suliban muck it up in Archer's time. But now all of the sudden he's completely unable to do anything, in any time period, without Archer. :vulcan:

And where did the Xindi get the ability to time-travel?


The time-travel stuff never seemed to work particularly well in my opinion, and just got worse as it went on. What got me about this episode was why mess about with bioweapons if you have time travel? You could just kill one pivotal figure (for example Zefram Cochrane, Henry Archer) and Earth would be in real trouble. Or if that doesn't do it, blow up Enterprise while it's in space dock. That should buy plenty of time to finish off the doomsday weapon. In fact why even bother with that - go back to Earth before humans have evolved and kill off the amoebas we evolve from. Easy. If you're determined to kill the entire human race with a bioweapon, a little research on the internet would have provided them with an answer without having to kidnap people of different blood types.
Work in Progress:
Number Theory - Desert Rose Universe
Recently Completed:
Songs in Red and Grey - Special Projects Series
Blood, Sweat and Tears - Stand Alone

Image

User avatar
Kevin Thomas Riley
Rear Admiral
Rear Admiral
Posts: 4336
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:42 am
Show On Map: No
Location: NX-01

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby Kevin Thomas Riley » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:06 pm

Whatever you decide to do, there is one rather important plot point in Carpenter Street that has consequences for the overall arc that has to be addressed. Namely that Archer used the Xindi bodies and equipment he got hold of in this episode to convince Degra to break with the other Xindi later on.
She's got an awfully nice bum!
-Malcolm Reed on T'Pol, in Shuttlepod One

Image

User avatar
JadziaKathryn
Commodore
Commodore
Posts: 2348
Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:57 pm
Show On Map: No
Location: Northeastern USA

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby JadziaKathryn » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:36 am

Drogna wrote:If you're determined to kill the entire human race with a bioweapon, a little research on the internet would have provided them with an answer without having to kidnap people of different blood types.
But... but... but... villains don't think! They are simply eeeeeeevil.

:roll:
Image

User avatar
Alelou
Rear Admiral
Rear Admiral
Posts: 7894
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:05 pm
Twitter username: @sheerhubris
Show On Map: No
Location: Upstate New York
Contact:

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby Alelou » Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:28 am

The Transdimensional Axis of Evil: Sphere Builders, Reptilians, and Scriptwriters
OMG, ANOTHER new chapter! NORTH STAR Chapter 28
Image.Image
Read opening chapters free at Amazon (US): The Awful Mess: A Love Story
Blog: Sheer Hubris Press / Twitter: @sheerhubris / Facebook: Sandra Hutchison

User avatar
Drogna
Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Posts: 87
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:14 pm
Show On Map: No
Location: Oxford, UK
Contact:

Re: Is there any way to improve "Carpenter Street"?

Postby Drogna » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:09 am

Alelou wrote:The Transdimensional Axis of Evil: Sphere Builders, Reptilians, and Scriptwriters

:guffaw: :guffaw: :guffaw:
Work in Progress:
Number Theory - Desert Rose Universe
Recently Completed:
Songs in Red and Grey - Special Projects Series
Blood, Sweat and Tears - Stand Alone

Image


Return to “Non-Ship Fanfiction”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 20 guests