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Misplaced wrote:
Basically, tons of potential lost.

That is the phrase which should be written in Latin across the bottom of this show's Coat of Arms.

AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN and AMEN! This is why I get so darn frustrated with so much of it. It could have been the best Trek ever!

And that's why we have fanfiction... to make up for what the writers couldn't or wouldn't do on the show.

Why do you think I came to the nuthouse?

I get a lot of flack for saying I don't like the show. But in reality, the thing that makes me so angry, was the fact that the potential was beyond amazing, so that the actuality, felt like failure to me. I could have loved this Trek, I could have loved it more than TNG and VOY combined. But there was so much wasted potential, that watching it the first time literally hurt. And Archer was 75% of the reason why.

I ran to HoT after I gave up the first time and dove into fanfic with the passionate devotion I wanted to give the show. Because there are things that I love so dearly about ENT.

Malcom warned Archer that these were the same people who tired to make slaves out of nine of the Enterprise crew. Archer ignored this.

Archer was not exposed that much to the Orion women when they danced. so he was not befuddled. He chose to allow them on the ship as a gift.

Malcm showed the women to thier quarters and he wasn't all that affected. He and Travis still had enough sense to know that he women were dangerous. Travis was trying ot work them out of his head with weights.

Phlox said the effect was cumulitive the longer the women were on board the worse the situation got. Archer ignored that. It wasn't until Archer goes to the one Orion womans quarters and probably has a quickie that he is really befuddled. His face when he comes out of the lift shows that and his actions too.

I think that by bringing them on board in the first place was stupid. that Archer still had all of his senses about him. He was trying to make nice with the Orions and should have known better.

Exactly SB!

If Archer had a strength which was also a terrible weakness, it was the desire to establish diplomatic ties with the universe.

I'll grant you that letting bimbos roam the ship without armed escort was unforgiveable unless he's had his brain wiped since Rajiin. So that was one of the glaring big holes in that plot, if you ask me, which could have been so easily fixed simply by having said armed escort ... which would then turn out to be completely useless. But I'm also still willing to believe that he's already done for in that first scene.

"Bound" was written and played for camp and thus makes just about everyone in it look like an idiot. If you try to think about it seriously it's really awful. If you just let go of plausibility and watch the sexy green bimbos making people stupid and Trip and T'Pol bickering their way to a kiss, you can enjoy it as a guilty pleasure.

enterprikayak wrote:

Misplaced wrote:
Basically, tons of potential lost.

That is the phrase which should be written in Latin across the bottom of this show's Coat of Arms.

Multi facultes perdidit is as close as I can get you.

Alelou wrote:If Archer had a strength which was also a terrible weakness, it was the desire to establish diplomatic ties with the universe.

So true. How anyone can be so naive as to think everyone wants to be friends with earth and can manage to engage in questionable activities such as torture and theft, idk.

Alelou wrote:"Bound" was written and played for camp and thus makes just about everyone in it look like an idiot. If you try to think about it seriously it's really awful. If you just let go of plausibility and watch the sexy green bimbos making people stupid and Trip and T'Pol bickering their way to a kiss, you can enjoy it as a guilty pleasure.

Exactly. And I wouldn't trade this episode if it means that all the TnT scenes would be gone too. I love when T'Pol asks if Trip is having daydreams about her. His expression is priceless.

There are a lot of Kitausu-fam Ozhika (or "Writers Without Logic") in Trek -- not just ENT.

Misplaced wrote:There are a lot of Kitausu-fam Ozhika (or "Writers Without Logic") in Trek -- not just ENT.

Oh I agree. Definitely, I don't deny that.

Now that could be a thread in and of itself worst episode ever...

We'd all get kicked off if we said anything other then *the_abomination*.

One thing about Bound that puzzled me: When Archer asks Trip when they can get going Trip says 'I am not sure we can get going" Then at the end Trip and T'Pol are in engineering and Trip asks T'Pol "see if there is anything that isn't fried." Okay at that time Enterprise doesn't have Engine power.

When the Orions attack the thrusters are the only power they have and that is not Warp drives.

However, After the ship is saved by Trip and T'Pol we see the E nterprise zipping alone at Warp Speed. then we see Archer in Sickbay obviously having just been shot. How did Trip get the Engines going that fast? I thought they were down and it would take days to repair them.

I know, anything cn hapen in Trek.

I always have considered what would have happened if Tnt had not been able to dislodge the cable which the Orion ship was towing Enterprise and Enterprise could not get thier Engine power back or thier weapons. The Orion Marauders were waiting. They would have taken the crew captive made slaves of them and commandndeered the Enterprise. Imagine the slavery would mean the Mines for the males and Sex Slaves for the females. Archer would lose his head to be put on a plattter.

Maybe I should start a new thread for this, but it is about Archer. Is it possible that when he was young, Archer could have been a member of some sort of proto-Terra Prime, maybe an informal group that existed years before Terra Prime was officially formed? I was thinking that it sort of would make sense for a very young Jonathan Archer to have some contact with a group like that. If he was always outspoken about his dislike of the Vulcans, and if he was always high-profile as the son of Henry Archer, then I would think he would be exactly the sort of person an anti-alien group might try to recruit.

I think that a man who worshiped Zefrem Cochrane would know better than to actually join one of those groups. Especially since he wanted to be out in space. Do I think he might have agreed with some of the rhetoric... That's very possible.