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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby aadarshinah » Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:49 am

Because languages count as sciences and ops is a broad reaching department made up of people who don't fit elsewhere? Idk... it was like 11pm when I did it and had just beta'd 32 pages for kotik. it seemed like a logical alternative at the time...

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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby Kotik » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:06 pm

Hoshi has green stripes and is therefore assigned to science and that means her butt belongs to T'Pol. I would hazard a guess that Hoshi is 2nd in command of the science department, considering her relatively high position in the chain-of-command. If such thing exists, I'd see her as head of the sub-department 'linguistics and communications'.

Lt. Foster is Malcolm's second in command, while Travis is most likely Archer's second within 'Operations & Command' and maybe head of the sub-division 'Flight Ops'.

Lt. Hess is Trip's XO, later (after "Home") it'll be Kelby. Guess we have to make up a reason for her to be demoted to 3rd within Engineering, or she has transferred away, as she wasn't mentioned on-screen after "Home" AFAIK.

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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby Silverbullet » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:46 pm

Okay, Communications should not be under Science. it sould be a stand alone section.

It would entail three shifts (obviously Hoshi is on day shifts permanently) that leaves two other shifts plus one on break. (should have at least two days off idealy). Encryption section (hoshi can't do everythig herself), Liinguistics, analysts section (small but important) and computers for the entire ship. (Hoshi would be the systems manager) computers would need maintence people also those handling storage of data, and stand alone computer in Officers quqrters for their personeal recoreds, logs and data. This would mean a somewhat larger portion o fhte crew.

Science should be smaller each type like biology, entymology, geology etc handled by one person with T'Pol handling the mathematics.

engineering would contain engineering, three shifts with one off duty for break, Maintence section, probably a section to fabricate parts if possible.

quartermaster which would take Laundry, food service (Cooks, stewards,mess hall atttendants) Supply section.

Tacticle, armory, Magazine, Weapons fore and afte sections.

Command, Bridge.

There would be Archer and the FO right below him as a bufffer between the Captain and the crew so that Archer could concentrartrate on running the ship. FO should contact department heads at least wice a month to inspect and see if any problems that department heads could not hanlde the FO would. Walk around management.
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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby WarpGirl » Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:16 pm

aadarshinah wrote:Because languages count as sciences and ops is a broad reaching department made up of people who don't fit elsewhere? Idk... it was like 11pm when I did it and had just beta'd 32 pages for kotik. it seemed like a logical alternative at the time...


Ding Ding Ding Ding. THE WINNER! Yep communications is a dual cross-section department. At least in the ST universe. Kind of like Harry and engineering. Remember fiction, but more importantly FUTURE, beurocricy evolved. Anyway Hoshi wouldn't necessarily be T'Pol's 2IC the science department is split up into specialties. Space, rocks, bugs... each department specialty has its own head those heads report to T'Pol.
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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby aadarshinah » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:18 pm

The way I see it, you have the people who like blowing things up (tactical/armoury/security) and the people who like building things (engineering mainly), and since this pair fits nicely together, they get one colour. Then you have the people who drive the ship, keep it running, general ops, etc - and they get another colour. And then you have everyone else who does something vaugley researchy (science, such as above, plus comms 'cause, well, there's an art to languages, and science is about as close as you get to art on a ship) and they get a third colour....

And then of course you get TOS with Kirk in green.... but whatever.

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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby Silverbullet » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:41 pm

Kirk wore Gold. spock blue, scotty Red. Not sure Mccoy wore what color. Urhura wore a red outfit if I remmeber correctly.

I hated those mechanics civeralls that were the uniforms worn on Ent.

If Hoshi wore a green stipe on her uniform then she wasn't atached to Science which wore blue. It would mean that Comm was an individual section.

Cannot see Eningeering and armory, Tacticle in the same section. If anythng Armory should be under the command section.

Why am I so hot on Comm? I spent 35 years as a communicator/communications Officer in the Air Force and the State Department. I know how important it is. In embassies it was always the largest section by far. On enterprise outside of Engineering it would be the largest section. Language is a form of communications so linguistics would come under it not the Science section.

When I was a Comm Officer I had Classified, Unclassified messsage traffic. Diplomatic Mail (carried by Dip coriers) Classified and unclassified reproduction, Telephones, Computer, Communication Security. when stationed at a one man Post I had to take care of all of it and maintain it. Hoshi would hve her hands full and would need a fairly large cew under her.
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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby Alelou » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:18 pm

McCoy wore blue.

Whatever that color on Hoshi's uniform is, blue or green or something in between, it's the same one the science people wear.

I'm not disputing what you say about comm, but then nobody here is claiming Enterprise always made sense with this stuff. (However, you would expect a heck of a lot more communications on Earth than you would out in space when we don't know anybody out there, yet, wouldn't you?)

I do notice, as I work on missing scenes, that Hoshi seems to work 24 hours a day. Nobody ever says, "Wake up Ensign Sato." Unless they actually have her on an away team, it seems she's always there on the bridge, or at least on the comm, calling other people who are clearly off-duty.

Maybe it was their way of giving the actress enough to do.
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Postby aadarshinah » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:27 pm

Maybe she was a workaholic? And at several points in the series they're completely out of contact with earth - in the 1st season for a bit until they release comm bouys and such, and in the expanse for a while, - which would significantly cut down on her workload.

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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby Silverbullet » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:47 pm

Hoshi was always trying to communicate with other ships, monitoring thier transmissions so she could study the language later. She should have been in chage of in ship communications. There must have een some kind of communications center. Com buoy wouldn't decrease her wrokload but increase it as she would be able to Contact Starfleet Headquarter throgh them.

As Uhura, Hoshi would be montoring broadcasts from alien Planets that Enterprise would be orbiting. That wooud give Archer an idea of what the culture was on the Planet and if they might be friendly or hostile.

I believe in one episode there was reference to other shifts on the bridge and in engineering. Hoshi couldn't be on duty 24/7 she had to sleep, eat, shower, change uniforms and undergarments.

It is little things like that which could have added some dimension to Enterprise.
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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby WarpGirl » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:38 pm

I seem to remember they show Hoshi eating, and in her quarters. And they do mention other communication personel. aadarshinah is right, "ship's ops" crosses over into multiple departments on ST ships. Sometimes into engineering, sometimes science, sometimes both, 7of9 is a perfect example. Now it might not work that way in today's orginizations that deal with military/exploration things. However, its nearly two centuries into the future in ENT era and institutions evolve.

PS. Starting in TNG science department wore Teal. I don't know why the costume designers kept that on ENT uniforms while switching the gold back into command and red/maroon back into engineering like in TOS. Maybe they felt the teal photographed better. But its neither completely blue or green.

What really amazes me is that ENT managed to do so much with only 88 people. I kind of admit its rediculous, that's like saying an aircraft carrier can be run with the crew compliment of a pirate ship. Now that confused me.
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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby aadarshinah » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:50 pm

For the costumes, I think Rigel said somewhere they changed the colours in TNG because Data's makeup didn't look so hot with a red uniform.

As for only 88 people, it is 200 years in the future. Well, 140-something. But still, lots of computers = lots of machination = fewer people. and Enterprise isn't exactly an aircraft carrier or dreadnaught... I think of it more as a frigate or souped-up corvette.

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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby WarpGirl » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:55 pm

Fair point, my only problem with that is it seems like there are these huge departments full of staff. I would think that people would have to have more than one job. They hinted at it with Cutler, but all in all, everyone is a specialist. Like Jane Taylor... :dunno:

Well they might have changed the colors for Data, but why not go back to TOS colors for ENT? The teal doesn't make sense because Data was in Ops... I don't try to figure it out. I think the teal just looks better on film.
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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby Silverbullet » Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:34 pm

T'Pol's Blue looked blue not teal. I guess I will have to run "Strange New world to see what color Cutlers Blue was. Real blue or a blue/Green Teal.

One thng about TOS you certainly knew what color everyone was wering. In Ent.other than the Gold of Command the rest hardly stood out.

Didn't Voyager have different colored shirts? Cannot remember.
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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby WarpGirl » Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:42 pm

T'Pol wasn't a Starfleet officer until after sometime in season 4... After that her colorful catsuits were "piped" in teal.The piping was around her shoulders.

VOY... Command Red, Engineering/Ops/Security Gold, Science (except for 7of9) teal.
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Re: NX-01 Crew

Postby aadarshinah » Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:42 pm

Voyager had TNG-style uniforms. I can't seem to find any of these with ENT on them, but thismight help for the rest:


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