Warp velocities ... and YOU!
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Re: Warp velocities ... and YOU!
Uh ... what? Suddenly the shuttlepod can go from dead stop to maximum speed instantly, and then stop on a dime as well? I get that Trek basically throws out most laws of physics, but I'm trying to be just a tad bit more realistic.
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Re: Warp velocities ... and YOU!
Oh, right, but they still don't need that much time to change speed, that what inertia dampening and structural integrity fields are for. 
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They would need time to accelerate up to full speed, then at the halfway point they turn around and start decelerating in what I have read is called a skew flip maneuver, or something like that. So half the trip is spent reaching full speed and getting to the halfway point, then the second half of the trip is spent decelerating from full speed to full stop at the destination.
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Re: Warp velocities ... and YOU!
A shuttlepod likely does not go from a zero to max speed instantaniously. It has an accelloration rate.
Yes uning a large body as a slingshot can boost speed but the boost will be a percentage of current speed. If you are moving too slow you will be captured by the body.
Earths orbit is elliptical and varies from 1.471x10^8 km to 1.521x10^8km.
Jupiters orbit is ellipticle and varies from 7.409 x 10^8 km to 8.157 x 10^8 km.
Earth-Jupiter min. dist. = 588 Million Km max. dist. 967 million km.
Pick a distance. say half the difference =189.5 and subtract from the maximum 967 - 189.5 =777.5 million km
Speed of light C= 299792.458 km/s;
Here is a handy table;
http://members.optusnet.com.au/bnbg6bil ... ltimes.htm
Earth = 8.17 -8.44 light minutes from Sol
Jupiter = 41.17- 45.34 light minutes from Sol
32.73 lm - 37.17 lm if both are on the same side of the sun
53.18 if both are at opposite maximum.
Pick a value you like, say 40-45 light minutes.
if they can do .25c multiply by 4 =160-180 min. (2.3-3.0 hr.)
Pick some time to reach that max speed and add that factor. to accel/decel say 60 min each 300 min. (~5 hours as this is Trek).
divide by 2 for the halfway point where you need to start to decellorate.
I think a more reasonible number may be 2-5 times that though as the accelloration and decelloration seems too fast.
Anyone wanna check my assumptions and math?
HtH
Yes uning a large body as a slingshot can boost speed but the boost will be a percentage of current speed. If you are moving too slow you will be captured by the body.
Earths orbit is elliptical and varies from 1.471x10^8 km to 1.521x10^8km.
Jupiters orbit is ellipticle and varies from 7.409 x 10^8 km to 8.157 x 10^8 km.
Earth-Jupiter min. dist. = 588 Million Km max. dist. 967 million km.
Pick a distance. say half the difference =189.5 and subtract from the maximum 967 - 189.5 =777.5 million km
Speed of light C= 299792.458 km/s;
Here is a handy table;
http://members.optusnet.com.au/bnbg6bil ... ltimes.htm
Earth = 8.17 -8.44 light minutes from Sol
Jupiter = 41.17- 45.34 light minutes from Sol
32.73 lm - 37.17 lm if both are on the same side of the sun
53.18 if both are at opposite maximum.
Pick a value you like, say 40-45 light minutes.
if they can do .25c multiply by 4 =160-180 min. (2.3-3.0 hr.)
Pick some time to reach that max speed and add that factor. to accel/decel say 60 min each 300 min. (~5 hours as this is Trek).
divide by 2 for the halfway point where you need to start to decellorate.
I think a more reasonible number may be 2-5 times that though as the accelloration and decelloration seems too fast.
Anyone wanna check my assumptions and math?
HtH
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Re: Warp velocities ... and YOU!
Heh. I should have known ...
So, I was doing some calculations based on the show and came to some very amusing numbers.
GIVEN:
THEREFORE, the distance (in kilometers) that they've traveled in this period of time is 158,650,188,883,200 km ... which comes to 16.76 light years (this distance divided by a light year or 9,460,800,000,000 km).
Is it just me, or does that seem to make the Expanse awfully damned close to Earth? According to Home, Vulcan is only 16 ly away!
So, I was doing some calculations based on the show and came to some very amusing numbers.
GIVEN:
- Warp 5 = 125x c (which equals 37,474,062 km/s since c=299,792.5 km/s)
- In "The Expanse," Archer's log entry specifically states that they have been traveling at warp 5 for 7 weeks (49 days or so.) Since there are 86,400 sec/day, that means they've been traveling at warp 5 for 4,233,600 seconds (roughly.)
THEREFORE, the distance (in kilometers) that they've traveled in this period of time is 158,650,188,883,200 km ... which comes to 16.76 light years (this distance divided by a light year or 9,460,800,000,000 km).
Is it just me, or does that seem to make the Expanse awfully damned close to Earth? According to Home, Vulcan is only 16 ly away!
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Re: Warp velocities ... and YOU!
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Rigil, Rigil, Rigil. Surely you know better by now than to ask for anything resembling rationality and/or consistency from Trek?
Rigil, Rigil, Rigil. Surely you know better by now than to ask for anything resembling rationality and/or consistency from Trek?
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Re: Warp velocities ... and YOU!
Rigil Kent wrote:Heh. I should have known ...
So, I was doing some calculations based on the show and came to some very amusing numbers.
GIVEN:
- Warp 5 = 125x c (which equals 37,474,062 km/s since c=299,792.5 km/s)
- In "The Expanse," Archer's log entry specifically states that they have been traveling at warp 5 for 7 weeks (49 days or so.) Since there are 86,400 sec/day, that means they've been traveling at warp 5 for 4,233,600 seconds (roughly.)
THEREFORE, the distance (in kilometers) that they've traveled in this period of time is 158,650,188,883,200 km ... which comes to 16.76 light years (this distance divided by a light year or 9,460,800,000,000 km).
Is it just me, or does that seem to make the Expanse awfully damned close to Earth? According to Home, Vulcan is only 16 ly away!
unless some warp highway is involved..
but yeah i laughed at the people getting upset over the klingon homeworld thing since the distance thing has been wonky back to tos
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