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Re: KTR's reflections from another DS9 newbie

Postby Kevin Thomas Riley » Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:21 pm

JadziaKathryn wrote:
Kevin Thomas Riley wrote:While I don't exactly applaud how Ferengi civilization has been portrayed, I find it utterly inconceivable that they'd embark on a path to socialism in such a short time, and just because Moogie and Zek has said so.
Well, then I suppose it could've been worse. They could've devoted an entire episode to showing the socio-cultural changes taking place on Ferenginar.

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Re: KTR's reflections from another DS9 newbie

Postby Kevin Thomas Riley » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:32 pm

And Le Grande Final. I'll do a season recap later. And possibly an entire series recap as well.


7-25 What You Leave Behind

My, What You Leave Behind was indeed a gut wrenching and emotional episode. It wasn't perfect, but it was surely the best of all the Trek finales (if you don't count Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country as the original series' finale, then that was the best). I actually had a lump in my throat by the end and that is praise indeed.

The conclusion to the Dominion War was quite satisfying and poignant. The feelings of Sisko and Ross when they refused a victory toast with Martok in the ruins of Cardassia sums it up nicely. War is hell and now 800 million Cardassians have perished after the desperate Founders levelled Cardassia Prime as punishment for their rebellion. That is maybe poetic justice considering what the Cardassians have done previously, but it's no cause for cheerful celebrations. I liked the scene when Garak contemplated that had finally returned from exile to his home world only to find smoldering ruins.

Too bad that Damar was killed. He was the kind of leader that whatever system that will emerge from the ruins would need. But I suppose it was a fitting end to him as well. He was certainly no innocent himself, even if he redeemed himself through his actions in the end.

The final battle between the Dominion forces and the Federation alliance was very neat, even if I suspect that some footage from previous battles where re-used. I loved the twist when the Cardassian fleet switched sides at a critical moment and turned the tide of battle. It wasn't really surprising, since by now word of what happened on Cardassia Prime had reached them. It goes to show the arrogance and ignorance of the Founders and their Vorta servants. It could've been seen as a convenient way out, but it didn't play out like that.

What was a bit convenient was how Kira and her resistance fighters were able to sneak into Dominion headquarters with so little opposition (although Damar bit the dust). But I loved how Garak just killed Weyoun, and his reply to the female Founder when she told him that that had been the last Weyoun clone. "I was hoping you'd say that." Heh!

I can't say I was surprised that it was Odo who eventually made the truce possible. Obviously the deal was that the Dominion surrenders in exchange for Odo curing the Great Link. It might have seemed a sudden turn-around for the female Founder, but who knows how fast shapeshifters communicate when they're linked. And it's not like she had much choice if she did want to save her fellow shape-shifters. This resolution also brings out the interesting notion that it was Section 31 that made peace possible in the end. They infected the Great Link and provided the cure (even if it was forced from them). Had they not done so, who knows what would've happened. That's a pretty dark way to wrap up a major plotline, at least for Star Trek. But I like it!

What I didn't like about What You Leave Behind - and this should come as no surprise - was the resolution to the Dukat/Winn/pah-wraith storyline. I haven't liked it from the beginning and I was bound to get disappointed by how it was finished. Given everything else that happened in this episode, what transpired in the Fire Caves felt very anti-climactic. It had no real punch and eventually that severely lessened the impact and importance of Sisko's ascension. That's a shame since this is when Sisko is supposed to come full circle from his first encounter with the Prophets in the pilot episode Emissary.

Having Dukat return with his eye-sight restored just illustrated that the writers had developed this plotline prematurely and had realized they must put it on hold for a couple of episodes. We never even got to see a poor and begging Dukat on the streets of Bajor. Then there's the prolonged trek to the Fire Caves and Winn's summoning of the pah-wraiths. Exactly how long did this take? The scenes were cross-cut between the final Dominion showdown and the victory celebrations afterwards, so it must have been some days at least. But it didn't feel that long.

But my main complaint is the complaint that I've had all along. It just rang false. This wasn't the Kai Winn or Dukat I've gotten to know over the years. Here they were moustache-twirling evil caricatures! All subtlety and grey areas were purged from their characters for inexplicable reasons. Thus the whole plot was lost on me. This whole Prophets/pa-wraiths struggle would also have worked better if it had been related to the Dominion War in some ways. Now it existed entirely separate from the main action and just felt tacked-on.

Another thing that bothered me about this was that we never really saw much of Bajor, the planet DS9 has been centred around for so long. Watching this last stretch of episodes you could've guessed that the Bajorans, save for Kai Winn and her ill-fated assistant, had vanished. Winn's actions take place in a vacuum. There is a lot of closure in this finale, but we never learn what happens to Bajor and if they finally becomes a member of the Federation (the very reason why Sisko was appointed to command DS9 in the first place).

Otherwise they did a really good job in getting closure for the show. The farewell party at Vic's was extremely touching and this time I didn't mind the use of the holodeck. Vic Fontaine singing "The Way You Look Tonight" and the flashback montage almost had me in tears. But I noted the conspicuous absence of any footage of Jadzia Dax and thought that was a shame.

There was also a fitting end to most of the characters, even Benjamin Sisko becoming a Prophet (despite how that happened). But I feel for poor - and pregnant - Kasidy, but at least she got to say goodbye. Jake didn't get to do that, although I like to think that the wormhole opening as he looked at it was his father's way of saying farewell. O'Brien is going back to teach at Starfleet Academy. Odo is back with his people and will hopefully teach them to be les hostile towards solids. Kira is now in command of DS9, and Bashir and Ezri remains, as do Quark. But it's not the same. It's something new and that is as it should be. Nothing lasts forever, not even Deep Space Nine.

I'll be generous and give this final episode of DS9 - What You Leave Behind - a grade of 9-. The Dukat/Winn/pah-wraith thing brings it down and if it hadn't been for the other excellent storylines and the sheer emotional impact this finale had on me it would've been lower still. That doesn't change the fact that, as I mentioned before, this is the best Star Trek final episode ever made.

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Re: KTR's reflections from another DS9 newbie

Postby JadziaKathryn » Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:02 pm

Personally, I think Ezri should've stayed on DS9. Lifetimes of experience or not, when you're heading into the battle that will decide the war and, you know, the fate of multiple quadrants of the galaxy, a counselor isn't the best person to have at a battle station, don't you think?
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Re: KTR's reflections from another DS9 newbie

Postby Linda » Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:56 pm

Excelent review, KTR. I agree with most of your reviews and many times learn a new perspective on an episode! To me, DS9 has more depth emotionally and intellectually than the other ST series except perhaps parts of ENT. Yes, please, give us a season 7 and a whole series wrap up. Compare DS9 to the other series.
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Re: KTR's reflections from another DS9 newbie

Postby Kevin Thomas Riley » Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:45 pm

^ Thanks! :)

JadziaKathryn wrote:Personally, I think Ezri should've stayed on DS9. Lifetimes of experience or not, when you're heading into the battle that will decide the war and, you know, the fate of multiple quadrants of the galaxy, a counselor isn't the best person to have at a battle station, don't you think?

Yeah I do. But then she was more functioning as a comm officer than a counselor anyway...
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Re: KTR's reflections from another DS9 newbie

Postby Kevin Thomas Riley » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:30 pm

And here is the overview of the final season:


Season Seven Overview

Overall, this feels like DS9's strongest season. That's probably because it was the last and they had to kick into high gear and finish all those multiple story arcs that they had been developing over the course of the series' run. And that's what I have appreciated most about DS9 - that it often went away from the tired old stand-alone format and did a large canvas of stories that developed over time.

Of course they never went fully into arc-mode, since even this season had a fair share of stand alone episodes. And unfortunately some of them were also the worst of the season. As previously there was no clear pattern, and the worst were sprinkled out among the other episodes. We had too many stories set in the holosuite, including Vulcans playing baseball. The only decent use of that concept was Nog dealing with post-traumatic stress and in the final episode. And the less said about Dukat as a cult leader and the stupid mirror universe episode the better.

The early episodes were good. They might also have been helped with the introduction of the new Dax, the adorable Ezri, who lifted some episodes a grade or two. Frankly I liked the focus on her in several stories and although she was only present in this season made a much bigger impact on me than Jadzia ever did. Imagine if Ezri had been introduced earlier on the show!

Of course I liked the stories focusing on the Dominion War. But I can't help to feel cheated. It took them way too long to get to it and when it finally arrived, most of it took place off-screen. When all was said and done, the DS9 crew never took that much part in it. Oh well, we still got a lot of excellent storylines from it. And I really applaud the descent into darkness that we saw on DS9, especially about the ultra-secret Section 31 (in episodes like Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges and the fact that they had infected the Founders with a deadly disease). This made for really compelling and interesting drama.

What I didn't like was the character assassinations of Dukat and Kai Winn. From being complex villains they were reduced to silly one-dimensional evil characters whose actions didn't ring true. I especially hated what they did to Dukat, perhaps the most interesting villain on DS9 if not all of Star Trek.

I liked how Sisko came full circle and finally become a Prophet himself. While I've never cared much for the Trek captains that came after Kirk, I can safely say that I really liked Sisko and he now comes right after the original. Strong, tough, conflicted, loving and a great leader. Odo and Kira turned out to be surprisingly tolerable as a couple this season, and it added depth to Odo's eventual return to his people. O'Brien and Bashir continued being a good buddy pair. Quark was his old self. Of the main cast, I think he'll be the very last one to leave the station. DS9 without his bar just wouldn't be the same.

Among the guest cast I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Jeffrey Combs' excellent portrayal of Weyoun - from charming servility to intense menacing in two seconds. Great stuff! And the surprising rise of Damar was very satisfying to watch, especially given the shabby treatment Dukat got. Although I'm not very keen on holodeck stories, I must say James Darren handled himself really well as Vic Fontaine - probably the best developed holo-character after Voyager's doctor.

Summing up, it comes as no surprise that this season's average grade is 6.23, or a 6+ on my 10-graded scale, which is also the best score for any DS9 season. That's probably thanks to Ezri, who managed to pull up the grades for some of the episodes, and to the prolonged focus of finishing all the storylines. Things I wish they'd done include dealing with the Bajoran political situation and revealing more about the Breen (including how they look). Now the Breen were just some convenient extra muscle to the Dominion. But all things considered, this was a very good wrapping up final season of one of the best Trek shows.
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Re: KTR's reflections from another DS9 newbie

Postby Asso » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:38 pm

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Re: KTR's reflections from another DS9 newbie

Postby Linda » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:33 pm

I agree with all of your wrapup except for the Take My Out to the Holosuite episode. Although I think they could have had better make up on the Vulcan team members, I liked the Sisko\Solok rivalry and wished it had been developed more, perhaps in a subsequent episode. That relationship had potential. Perhaps an episode where both captains had to cooperate during battle.
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Re: KTR's reflections from another DS9 newbie

Postby thecursor » Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:30 pm

Vulcans playing baseball! *foams at the mouth, collapses, then dies*
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