Asso wrote:However it is clear that the basis of the episode is, so to speak again, a definite plan: to make T'Pol stay a little with Archer, in the absence of Trip, and to show the connection existing between the Captain and his First Officer. I think, that all in all, a desire to bring a little ahead the aborted germ of a possible history between these two was still present in the minds of some people.
Uh ... what? I don't think anyone saw that but people who were
looking for it. By this point, it's patently clear that the AinT ship is dead and buried. Thematically, the point of Archer going down there with T'Pol is for his character to come full circle: where once he hated everything that Vulcans represented, thanks to working alongside T'Pol, he has gained new respect and, thanks to Surak, ends up not only understanding them but also helping to save them.
Archer seems to be stronger and more resistant than the Vulcans themselves.
Which, if you read what I stated, I clearly said I disliked. All four seasons had examples of this bad writing.
Archer takes upon himself the katra of Surak, without logical reasons.
Disagree. There are clear thematic reasons for this. He's the Outsider, who is unburdened by what they've been taught. The addition of Surak's katra also allows him to gain greater understanding of the Vulcan culture and move past his bigotry.
T'Pol's in the role of the weak little woman.
How is that any different from the way she was written throughout the show? It's a consistent motif, and T'Pol is far from the only character who suffers from this when around Archer (again, bad writing.)
T'Pau is too "big", mentally, for the age that she actually has.
I have absolutely no idea what that means. She's too wise for her age?
1) About the diplomatic skill of Trip and Archer.
Well, surely, Mr. Tucker does not seem to shine in this, if we are to judge by what we saw on TV.
But, honestly, seems Archer, to you,
more equipped?
Yes. He got the Andorians and the Vulcans together, and was the driving force (whether you like to admit it or not) behind the Coalition. This is another example of "tell, not show" admittedly, but he's supposed to have actual diplomatic training, whereas Tucker is an engineering geek who was evidently closeted in the Warp Five program until ENT launched.
2)Rightly Rigil said: ... and the last thing you would want to do on a mission like this is send him and T'Pol on a life-threatening, super dangerous mission with how strained their relationship is at the moment.
Mh... I beg you not to forget that if one wanted to do, this would have been a great way to "fix" things between them.
The death of T'Pol's mother and her tears, before an observing ad thoughtful Trip, would have been a splendid path to follow so as to reach this aim.
Yes, let's forever link in T'Pol's mind her mother's death and Trip's presence. For that matter, she's
still married at this point.
Silverbullet wrote:Yes, it has been commented on that the Arc was an attempt to bring a thing between T'Pol and Archer in to play.
Bovine excrement. The
only people who have stated that are people
looking for it. Like you, evidently.
Trip could be diplomatic. He certainly was when he prevented that war between the Andorians and the vulcans.
Oh, Lord, are you serious? First instance, he parked the ship between the two warring factions and targeted them, which made them hesitate long enough for Soval & Shran to reach an agreement. Second instance, he
abandoned his post (against the instructions of Starfleet, I believe, for those of you who keep harping on Archer "abandoning his post"), managed to allow Soval to get abducted by Shran who tortured him. In the end, it was Soval who convinced Shran to not start a war, not Tucker.
When T'Les dies in t'Pol's arms if Trip had been there he too could have forgiven T'Les and helped T'Pol with her grief.
She was
still married! Didn't I see a thing here recently about the unlikelihood of either of them cheating while she's married.
She would have turned to him more willingly than to Archer.
Seriously, why do you keep going to this? That ship was
dead at this point. Everyone knows it.
As far as Iam concerned Archer deserted his post. He had no busisiness going down to the surface wit T'Pol.
And from what I've gathered, as far as you're concerned, Archer can't do a single thing right. If he had stayed on the ship and sent Trip planetside, you'd be griping that he ordered Tucker to his death. It's gotten to the point that I, far from an Archer fan as anyone can tell you, tend to find myself defending him more and more.
Alelou wrote::deadhorse:
No doubt. I'm actually at the point where I'm about to just throw my hands up and walk away entirely. Your early comment about wanting to replace Super!Archer with Super!Trip seems to be more and more accurate all the time.
Ugh.