WarpGirl wrote:Marchale I'll answer but I'm gonna get killed... She didn't seduce Trip because she loved him (even though she did) she seduced him out of irrational fear, and pure jealousy. All of those things are about her not about love. Love is unselfish, and looks for what is best for the other person.
Add her loss of control due to Pa'nar and the Trellium D, and you've got the equivilant of a drunk geek girl faced with losing the quaterback to the head cheerleader. She did the first thing she could think of. Then, when she woke up she realized that her "solution" was no "solution" at all. She knows humans have casual sex, she knows TRIP has casual sex. So she tried to bow out gracefully.
But how could she do that? She had never dealt with anything like this in her entire life.
It's obvious Trip did nothing to let her know how he felt about what happened during their time together. T'Pol is neither callous, cold, or the type to hurt anyone with deliberate intent. If she had any clue that what she would do that morning would hurt him she would have never do it.
Personally I take Trip at his word when he told T'Les he didn't realize he loved her until she told him she was marrying Koss. And I don't think his heart was shattered during that morning after either.
Thanks for your reply, and you are not going to be killed here (I appreciated your giving me your insight into how you arrived at your conclusion there - hmmm, it's definatly 'food for thought" I hadn't considered before when I wrote it off as just another inconsistancy in canon).
When you said: "It's obvious Trip did
nothing to let her know how he felt about what happened during their time together" do you think she couldn't sense how hurt he was? I don't think she was deliberatly trying to hurt him, just that she might not have realized it had. And I guess we disagree about this, but I thought by his reaction that he was making it loud and clear how he felt. I know it brought me to tears when I seen how it affected him.
You think he was being honest with T'Les ? I suspect that (because of his pride and hurt feelings about her impending marriage) that might've been what he wanted T'Les to think was true. And I suppose I "could get killed for saying this" - but personally, I suspect both characters were falling in love (and were both possibly aware of their feelings) from really early on in the show. I mean, how could Trip not see the jealousy she exhibited towards every female he came in contact with from Ah-len on? And how could she not pick-up on the way he'd frequently look at her? (I was sure hoping they'd get together years before the neuropressure started anyway). Well, considering how intelligent they are, I want to explain their not picking up on what I think were obvious enough hints as just being the result of TPTB's bad judgement there in not pursuing it further and earlier than they did.
As far as what you said in saying: "She didn't seduce Trip because she loved him (
even though she did) she seduced him out of irrational fear, and pure jealousy. All of those things are about
her not about love. Love is unselfish, and looks for what is best for the other person." Okay, maybe this is just a language problem we're having in how we interpret the word "love", but the way I see it, the "irrational fear and pure jealousy" as you put it were manifested (albeit in a pretty emotionally immature way) because of the fact that she loved him, they do not exist apart from it, so technically that was love. It's just that her reaction was done by an emotionally stunted or frustrated lady who didn't know how else to express it. Her love caused those reactions to happen, that was the driving force behind it (and while ideally love is unselfish and looks for what is best as you say, that often only happens in an ideal world, not in the real world where fears and jealousy live and happen one helluva lot more frequently on a day to day basis, LOL!). Ach, you're still young and are far too idealistic about love yet - you'll learn what I mean about love in the sometimes unpleasant consequences of the real world after you get to be an old hag like me! (people rarely react in the idealistic, altruistic way you're young enough to think they would).
But I apologize if I came off sounding like I was being unfair or harsh towards T'Pol earlier. I'm not, I like T'Pol alot and I imagine her emotional immaturity must be as difficult for her to deal with as a Vulcan as what falling in love must've been for her. And I thought TPTB was being especially tough on her character at times by putting her in emotionally charged situations where it was damn tough for her to react like a Vulcan. Like that whole Trellium D thing made no sense to me, was she trying to explore her emotions or what was the purpose of that? Why not let her explore that with Trip more rather than becoming hooked on a drug? Actually, I felt sorry for T'Pol at times trying to deal with emotional things her Vulcan nature was unprepared for and sometimes ill equipped to handle properly. And it didn't help either being in an often inconsistant script in a show where you'd often wonder where they were going to go with something when things didn't seem to make sense or add up the way you hoped it would. And I think TPTB threw away the chance to save the show by not developing what could've been between Trip and T'Pol. They probably lost a lot of potential fans by what seemed to me to be the juvenial and inconsistant way they treated TnT on the show.
