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I think the scars could be used to intimidate in a rough world as Aquarius says, but I do agree with you Alelou. In my MU story, not only did the scars continue to be painful but they kept Trip from being able to get involved with any human women. Remember, I had that whole thing going on with humans not supposed to be screwing aliens (as an analogy to how miscegenation was viewed until very recently and is still viewed in some quarters). But Trip being damaged goods allowed him to get involved with alien women, including T'Pol.

But, on the other hand, the I'm a freak, I'm damaged and I don't give a damn thing could work in his favor at times. There's a sense in the story that if Archer got involved with T'Pol, it would have to be a secret. Trip, as freak outsider, doesn't need to keep the secret - though he does for her sake, not his.

Alelou wrote:maudits?

Damned, doomed, cursed. As a noun and plural.
French: Les Maudits.
Italian: I Maledetti, I Dannati.
People who know what's the dark doom they have.
And they grin at it, and laugh gloomily of it.
Not infrequently they are fascinating, even if their bodies, not only their words and their deeds, can sometimes tangibly show their destiny.
MU Trip.

Ah. Interesting. Quite a contrast from sunny RU Trip.

Yes. But there is a hope for such guys (you know, they are ALWAYS guys) : the salvation of love. Mh... maybe MU T'Pol...
What do you think? Is there material enough to write an interesting MU story?

Asso wrote:Yes. But there is a hope for such guys (you know, they are ALWAYS guys) : the salvation of love. Mh... maybe MU T'Pol...
What do you think? Is there material enough to write an interesting MU story?

MU never did it for me. In fact, I think that IMD was a waste of two perfectly good episodes. They would have been better spent on showing at least 2 episodes of TnT fluff, before they got whacked upside the head by fate again in Demons/Terra Prime.

Asso wrote:Yes. But there is a hope for such guys (you know, they are ALWAYS guys) : the salvation of love. Mh... maybe MU T'Pol...
What do you think? Is there material enough to write an interesting MU story?

Well, we know there's some sunshine locked in there somewhere.

As I was watching "True Blood" last night and feeling icky, I was thinking that it's odd how I don't mind reading some things that I find pretty gross to watch. (That show is really pushing my limits, but that's nothing new.) The MU universe definitely falls into that category, too. (Which is to say I totally agree with you, Kotik, but I do enjoy some MU fanfic out there.)

But really ... could someone in the MU universe ever really have a happy ending? And if they do, is it still MU? What constitutes a happy ending in the MU?

Kotik wrote:

Asso wrote:Yes. But there is a hope for such guys (you know, they are ALWAYS guys) : the salvation of love. Mh... maybe MU T'Pol...
What do you think? Is there material enough to write an interesting MU story?

MU never did it for me. In fact, I think that IMD was a waste of two perfectly good episodes. They would have been better spent on showing at least 2 episodes of TnT fluff, before they got whacked upside the head by fate again in Demons/Terra Prime.

True. But that doesn't mean that from the bad can't be born the good.
You know: beautiful flowers can be born from dung.
And this one is my reply also to you, Alelou.

And about the MU Happy Ending.. Well, I have my ideas about that. It's possible and I began to write the MU story which would show what I mean.
But it was stopped, here, and - honestly - I am not at all in agreement with the reasons behind this decision.
And, to be fully frank, this annoys and hurts me to such an extent that...
Mh... better I don't go deeper in such matter.

When things don't go up here for whatever reason, there's always the Warp 5 Complex, especially for racy stuff, and fanfic.net as well (though technically they won't accept explicit stuff).

And nobody minds if you announce it and put a link here.

You are right, even if Warp 5 Complex is absolutely far from whatever I think a fanfiction site should be.
But the problem is not this one. It's a matter of principle, connected with the love I feel for this site and with the obvious fact that changes (if they are not bad, and I am persuaded that this is not the problem of my story) are the life's lymph.
Anyway this is not the right place to debate such things.

My apologies.

Alelou wrote:But really ... could someone in the MU universe ever really have a happy ending? And if they do, is it still MU? What constitutes a happy ending in the MU?

As the Nietzschians in Andromeda said, I think a MU "happy" ending would be “The usual; hundreds of grandchildren, total dominion of the known worlds, and the satisfaction of knowing that all my enemies have died in unfortunate accidents that cannot be traced to me."

Yeah, that would probably fit. You know you've succeeded in the MU if you have ultimate power and no one has killed you yet...

Well, when I wrote my MU story - there were shades of kind of the hill, the most powerful person wins concept in my ending. Of course, those shades came directly from the episode itself. After all, Hoshi is the one who "wins" in the end, doesn't she? In a Sword of Damocles sort of way.

I appologize for taking this back to the origional question my I-net hasn't been stable so I missed the oppertunity to get in quick. I've said it before, and I'll say it until I'm blue, Vulcans are individuals. While 99.9% of them base their lives on the teachings of Surak, none of those teaching negate the free will of each individual. Neither do they cover what to do for every single situation a person is going to face in a lifetime. So I'd say T'San can make a choice.

Now personally I can't think of a single logical reason for a Vulcan to refuse having any injury completely healed including scars if the treatment is possible. As a matter of fact, considering the medical tech in ST I don't think it would be considered cosmetic surgery at all. All Trek characters should be absolutely covered in them considering what they've all been subjected too. And only in extreme cases have they ever been scared.

We get it. Vulcans are individuals. And I'll say THIS until *I'm* blue: individuals make up a *society*, and societies In general share many beliefs and values. Yes, individuals fall along a continuum and don't come from a cookie cutter. But the question isn't about individuals and exceptions. It's about Vulcans in general and what their society does/believes.

Well where does it say that Vulcan mainstream beliefs have any bearing on personal appearance????????? Can anyone tell me that???????????????