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Alelou wrote:Yeah, pin and pen pronounced exactly the same is a Southernism. I distinctly remember the spelling test in second grade and Mrs. Barko saying, "pen -- as in something you write with" and "pin -- as in something can hold cloth together with" because nobody could have possibly told the difference otherwise.

IDK I live in the center of the Shenandoah Valley and there are some serious Southern drawls, I don't know anyone there who pronounces pin and pen the same.

My mother and grandmother do, HOWEVER... My grandmother was born in northern Pennsylvania, and my mother was born in western LI NY. So... Maybe its a FLA thing too.

Maybe your Virginians are more cultured and literate. The part of Tampa where I grew up was mostly inhabited by transplanted northerners and military families, who came with all sorts of accents. But my mother and grandmother have real FL accents and that's how they say it.

I have no doubt that you're family does have a true southern accent. I just find it facinating that my part of the South is very different. And for the record I'm in the boondocks, not many cultured people in the immediate area. One of my very best friends is from the mountains of Tennessee, and he doesn't do that. So it seems like even in certain regions of an country there are still more regions. It's facinating!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Aikiweezie wrote:Just watched "Carbon Creek," and Trip asks T'Pol what happened when Mistral "kicked the bucket."

I had no idea what it meant.

Huh. I thought everybody knew about that one, even non-Americans. Sort of like "bought the farm" (which might actually be more of military jargon for getting killed in action that has entered the normal lexicon.) Interesting.

When I read Aikiweezie post, my first image I got from the expression was a cow kicking against a bucket, it fall and the milk is spoiled. Like I always get this image in my mind of a teenager sneeking into the house, holding his shoes is his hands so he makes less noise and then bumps into his waiting father who is still up - when I read the expression "waiting until the other shoes drops". Silly huh. (BTW, I know what it means - years of reading TnT fic! )

My Grandma's people originally came from Kentucky because somebody had bad lungs and was supposed to try a warmer climate. Listening to my grandma talk about these things can be quite entertaining. She told me about her father or maybe grandfather who was called Green Barry by his wife (no, not Green BERRY, she insisted -- though we also say those exactly the same), or Gaston by other people -- except that he changed it to Galveston ... ? ... all this explained extremely matter-of-factly as if of course the same guy would go by three completely different names.

Personally, I just don't see Green Barry as a typical term of endearment. If it's not your husband's name, or the slightest bit close to your husband's name, and he's not actually green, why the heck would you use it?

(I wonder if maybe there's more Indian blood in the family than they generally admit to?)

My great-grandfather called my great-grandmother "Katie" let me tell you she was nowhere near a Katie... People are weird.

Couple idions:

Tickled Pink

In the Pink.

Pushing up daiseys

Right side of the Grass

Like sherman through Georgia

rougher than a Cob

Silverbullet wrote:Couple idions:

Tickled Pink

In the Pink.

Pushing up daiseys

Right side of the Grass

Like sherman through Georgia

rougher than a Cob

What about if people inserts the intended meaning for those (Vulcans ?) non so literate in English expressions? The only one I can guess in the above list is "Like Sherman through Georgia" because of
my high scholl classes on USA history...

By the way, in Carbon Creek Trip says "she put one over us"...

Tickled Pink: Very happy or joyous.

In The Pink: The situation is good.

Pushing Up Dasies: Dead

Right Side Of The Grass: Alive

Like Sherman Through Gorgia: Mass Destruction

Rougher Than A Cob: Sorry I never heard this one.

PS I don't remember Trip using them at all.

WG you are right on all of them. Rougher than a Cob. well if you everr lived in rural America and had to use an Outhouse before the Sears cataloge came along you used a corn cob. Thus, rougher than.....

In the Pink was generaly used in referring to ones health. Sherman through Georgia meant mass destruction. but also just going through anything fast

SB I know I'm right. My grandmother never told me about the corn cob before... But then it was before my time so I learned something new.

I alway liked "Dumb as a box of rocks," or "Dumb as a bag of hammers."

I know "box of rocks" but "bag of hammers" is new to me! Although it illustrates the point. Who puts a hammer in a bag???

I'm probably more familiar with british phrases, like "dumb as a brick", "queer as 37 pound note", "making a monkey's breakfast of it"... etc. But I could see that Trip picks up some of these over the years from Malcolm.

Well he knew what "bangers and mash" was... Although I still say that to an American that phrase to sound a little pervy, depending on how dirty the mind of said American is... Hmm... Shutting up now.